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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The great irony here is that the cucks were contributing the most effort towards getting themselves punished in this way for decades, and the punishment is only happening because they may be sticking by it. Then again, there are some rumors that they will make some concessions to Turkey in...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Nah, with Finland providing a northern staging area for NATO, and the general state of Russian military, the NATO dominance of Baltic is already crushing. Huge stretch. a) Sweden can sell things to Ukraine without joining NATO, the politics, money and material availability of the stuff in...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Rumors are that something may move forward around early summer as some of the laws Turkey wanted will be implemented then. TBH Sweden is more of a "nice to have" than "necessary" with these things.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The US-Pakistan situation was much hotter in 2001... And if NK wasn't trying to deter USA, just SK, it wouldn't be bothering with building ICBMs, it's not like Japan or SK will move over to another continent. Hard to say, it could be, USA would have to multiply its missile interceptor numbers...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The creeping changes in how exactly will nuclear warfare work in the future are well known and not just us. Russia and China are already taking preparations in countering that new setup, with nuclear torpedos and hypersonics. Assuming USA will more than theoretically have the financial and...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The biggest mistake in that analysis is accepting the propaganda talking point that it is a defensive security concern for Russia at all. It's a "gorilla in the background" level sleigh of hand against your attention. The need to add the "no nukes" caveat is telling there. In a world where there...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Yeah, everything is still in the air, guess this meme is going to have its second golden age now:
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    This is all a solution completely detached from the reality of the problem, so much that if the solution was realistic, the problem would have never existed in the first place. Namely, NATO, USA or whoever turning against a questionable NATO ally, with a huge army and some considerable political...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    I'd say it's a silly cover for his real gripe - he didn't get what he wanted from USA. https://jewishinsider.com/2023/01/turkey-us-white-house-congress-f-16-sale-bob-menendez/
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Turkey could use the same argument regarding Greece. This is overall a messier situation, but it's what you get for having historically hostile countries in the same alliance. NATO is lucky Turkey and Greece joined at the same time, otherwise they would probably veto one another.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    As i said before, this is not even an Erdogan problem, this is Turkey problem. Other governments of Turkey would usually take the same position regarding Kurds anyway. And one good look at a map lets you understand why Turkey as a country is stuck with sticking by a big NO on the question of...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    But was occupied mostly by other backwards countries. Of course it's no guarantee. Just like not jaywalking is no guarantee of never getting hit by a car - but it sure does help avoid that regardless. They had it better while Japan had civil wars. Also Japan got nuked and Poland didn't.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    What good is 200 years of peace when what you get out of it at the end is being a backwards plaything for the great powers and have to deal with a long period of very much not peace to get out of it? You could call it loan shark's peace.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The problem is that this "peace and prosperity" was very relative... Which is why afterwards outside reality knocked on the door and they weren't the ones in charge of the situation.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Who would be willing to purge something around a third of the other Kurds at minimum, this being the third with most guns and political cohesion? Probably not. Or Ukraine conquering everything up to Urals on the flip side. Even if Greeks and Armenians had the military power, trust, will, and...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    If you are willing to go this far, why stop there? By that line of thinking you could pretty much demographically restructure the whole Middle East and North Africa (Arabs to Arabia!), it's just pure fantasy. And now you are just making shit up...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    What promises? This is Russia "no NATO expansion guarantee" shit from another direction. If it was a promise, it would be in writing, in form of a treaty or something. There was no promise outside of hurraoptimistic imagination of certain parties. Kurds helped you mostly in saving themselves...
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The West can't just drink the isolationist koolaid and try to pretend it's Japan in XVIII century, that's a non-solution, and we know how that ended up anyway.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    The major and highly influential ones are... Also we have had enough of "moderate islamist" stories in that region, out with that shit, Kurdish Erdogan is no upgrade over Erdogan.
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    Finland's and Sweden's NATO accession following thread.

    Learn more about Kurd politics, you should stop liking them. Why should anyone in the West care about establishing a commie\anarchist enclave in ME in permanent low intensity war with Iraq, Iran and Syria? Israel already exists and is saner than that. To make it worse, the part where the Kurds...
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