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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    Who? Pretty sure all the western engineers who work for ARAMCO are not persecuted for being Christians. Sure, they treat foreign servants and menial workers like crap, but they do that to all of those regardless of religion.
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    That's ultimately what enabled 9/11 and most other terrorism in the west. They can't do much as long as they stay *there*. Mostly scream into the wind and murderize whatever tourists, humanitarians or oil industry people go into that region without sufficient security. They cause the biggest...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    That's nothing a bit of slightly islamophobic immigration policy tightening couldn't fix. Much more realistic than getting the whole economy to work without oil cheaply in fact.
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    Does SA even have citizen Christians who are *not* converts from Islam? Iran, being a more culturally diverse country, has some such small groups, so that's a separate factor.
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    A lot of the foreign workers. Most of which go to SA out of their own free will to make money. As we have established, both SA and Iran hate local Christian converts. Nevermind that Christians being loyal to a Shia theocracy makes even less sense than being loyal to a Saudi king.
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    SA is treating their third world servants like servants regardless of their religion. They don't persecute western skilled workers because that gets western governments angry. As for Iran: https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/26/iran-targeting-dual-citizens-foreigners
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    Which short of outright conquering the place is impossible. Was it before or after MBS was in power, because that has changed a lot in SA, and he is the main driver of recent close relations with USA and Israel. Yes, Iran does it too, just that Iran has competent propaganda and the media don't...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    You're 40 years in the past there. Turks, you were right when they were ruled by Kemalists, now they are not, and Muslim Brotherhood is getting a lot of say there. Saudis are Wahabi friendly monarchy, but Iran is officially a Shia theocracy, complete with separate military organizations loyal to...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    That's why no one sane sells them the good stuff (tm). You sell them outdated generation stuff and monkey models, stuff that's not worth copying for Russia and China because they already have similar technology. No more than all their neighbors. Meanwhile their more competent neighbors combined...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    There is also the "didn't think it through" aspect. If Britain, or even all western countries accepted that argument and didn't sell Saudis any weapons, what would they do? Become pacifist? Of course not, they would go shopping in Russia and China instead. Not only they would be about as good at...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    Even then, they would try again, doesn't cost much. The problem is that the accusers have a small but over last decades rising realistic chance of receiving significant material benefits out of this activity. As long as there isn't a true drought of return on such investments of effort, people...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    The problem is that hardly anyone is particularly interested in seeing just a mere guarded apology, and especially those most interested in pushing these demands for apology. Most of the parties involved in such pushes want much further going reactions, reparations, favors, concessions, with...
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    Philosophy Was the West admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues? by tiredfromlife2019

    It is quite a bit more complicated than that, but it does contain some sliver of a point. Regarding this issue of recognizing past bad stuff(tm), the world is basically divided into 4 groups in regard to specific events: -The victim -The culprit -The PC world -The rest of the world The victims...
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