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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    "based on" =/= "law and morality are one". The most obvious and clear case of morality legislated into law is the strictest interpretation of Sharia law in certain Islamic countries. A legal system in sane societies is meant to be some sort of moral "mandatory minimum" (in addition to...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    That's the old problem of legislating morality into law. Functional societies shouldn't do that. The question isn't "which moral system", this applies to some religious fundamentalist groups too - see: Middle East, no one is jealous of their legal systems. Administrative bloat is hardly a new...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Before the big switcharound of "liberalism" turning into "socialdemocracy", liberals had no problem with hierarchy (they were big on meritocracy in it) and also a lot of contentious tradition - in the golden age of liberal parties most of their politicians absolutely weren't pushing homosexual...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Exactly, that's pretty damn radical attitude for liberty. Meanwhile the supposed liberals don't like liberty that much, they care about compassion/harm avoidance more.
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    By the metric of value priorities, libertarians should be considered radical liberals, as they care about liberty above all else. Why do we call people who care about "harm avoidance" above all else, including liberty, "liberals"?
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    I think this is so confusing due to US left taking over "liberalism" as a political flag which used to represent quite a separate idea, one closer to what we now call libertarianism - until leftists have started to infiltrate all the liberal parties and pushing for more care, fairness and...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    If that was a major factor, then why does the "systemic racism" obsession spread to different countries that have zero CSA figure statues, like France, Canada and UK? It's just a matter of finding an excuse for them. They obviously start with the lowest hanging fruit, but if you think that they...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Considering that out of all places, USA is a country to which millions of people from Central America, a lot of them with hardly any education, come illegally to get... economic opportunities of the lowest tier, if that theory had much meat to it, USA should have the crime rates of Japan. On the...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    You would be correct in the past. As far as current outrages about CSA go, counterpoint - ask the same people who are most passionate about this stuff about their opinion of Apartheid era South Africa. And then ask them about their opinion of current day Israeli-Palestinian relations for bonus...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    And that's *almost* the point that people trying to redirect your attention to the usual leftist racial activist arguments are trying to get through your righteous indignation. No one cares about this. Replace ACW with slavery in that statement and they are back to square one, arguing about...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Who cares about Jacobites anymore? Where are the Jacobites who would even want to see those monuments? You are focusing on layers of the conflict that are kinda irrelevant since monarchy lost its power. As far as conflict between Scots and English goes, that is much bigger, has much greater...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Ironically, that perspective was one of the reasons why Lincoln and many of the people wanted to turn it into Liberian community an ocean away, and if the issue was pushed as hard as you want, that would probably not be so forgotten. If you think any meaningful amount of people even in Civil War...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Do the British honor leaders that fought wars against Scotland? Do Scots honor leaders that fought wars against the British?
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    No, it would have done nothing for Trump, because he would be the wrong person doing it for the wrong reasons, hence no credit for it, wouldn't be the only case like that for him. That would completely defy the logic you are proposing here - that it's about betrayal of United States, not about...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    The problem is that neither major side of the debate cares much about your particular "should". They have their own. You are semi-correct there. It is, but only indirectly - the primary motivation is the dreaded r-word, which is applied to them on account of their defense of slavery and all...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    So? You would have had a point if the issue with betrayal was genuinely the driving point behind this initiative. But for the people pushing it, it is a minor, compounding one at most. They are motivated by a completely different logic, if you are in doubt, go ask them. Hell, you yourself have...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Think carefully. This is not about Confederates. Or more specifically, they are not the main target, they are only the easiest target, and as such, best example to be used for establishing the principle meant to be used further. Consider the logic used there. What stops it from being applied to...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    Lets stop beating around the bush and pretending anyone likes "change". No one does. It always depends on what the change in question is specifically. Want to make leftists start to "hate change" really fast? Propose to privatize something that is state run :D What kind of change conservatives...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    The problem is, in our "small world" analogies we all have a more or less shared conception of property laws enforced by the shared government reflecting the people it rules over in some way. In the world of nations, there are only semi-serious wannabes in form of UN and similar international...
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    The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

    To make more than a little sense out of this stuff one needs to realize that in US political context "Asians" as a voter group are a purely artificial bag, much like "Hispanics", consisting of few dozens or so of nationalities with different cultures and demographic profiles, and also different...
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