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It'll be interesting seeing if they actually learned anything.

If we're very, very, very blessed, it may just be miserable. I'd give it like 1% or worse odds, but they might just quietly implode into a far more miserable nation than they are now.

Oh? Did I miss the big news article on the Hoover Dam being in serious danger of collapsing? What's the American equivalent of 'tofu dreg' construction? Do you have links to entire cities worth of construction thrown together for government jobs programs, that have basically been abandoned...

Iran as an actor on the world stage would no longer exist, which I'm fairly sure is what Tippy meant with his post.

No, it would take hours of strikes to disable such systems. It'd take months of strikes to reduce the entirety of the infrastructure to rubble, but you don't need to do that. You don't have to knock down every tower for a power line to go down, just one of them, and then send a follow-up strike...

And what kind of nation would exist if their power grid, water utlities, and primary industrial facilities were destroyed?

What, you think that Iran has advanced missile interception technology? You think their air force is a credible deterrent to US air power? When the best combat aircraft they have is F-14s that we gave them fifty years ago? I think that Tippy's post was a modicum over the top, but Iran is at...

He literally just explained exactly that a couple posts ago. Do you suffer from ADD?

I think that a lot of European nations, and a lot of people in the USA, watched the US play whack-a-mole in the sandbox for two decades, and thought that was what 'real war' was like logistically and economically. The war in Ukraine has woken people up to the fact that full-scale war is a lot...

...Why would the collapse of the EU accelerate US withdrawal from Europe? The EU's nascent ambitions of forming a military have been a point of conflict between it and the US for some time now.

British does have another option; a cultural and/or spiritual revival. That's what I'm hoping and praying for.

I hope you manage to un-screw your culture and government enough to stand more strongly and independently once again.

The bigger problem in this discussion is that Zach is really bad at communicating, not even taking the time to use proper spelling and grammar, much less fully articulating ideas and carefully delineating between what he does and does not mean. His post directly below mine could mean he agrees...

War is inherently political, but. Going all the way back to Sun Tzu, letting political leaders mess too much with military execution was a known recipe for disaster, and it's a lesson the American political establishment has been insisting on ignoring painfully for most of a century...

The Chinese are looking to be politically and militarily incompetent. The sandbox failures were demonstrations of how a hyper-competent military still can't win with incompetent politics. One of these is definitely a better place to be in than the other.

It's not just inertia; people need to eat, and want to have a home to live in. There's a strong motivation to keep working, which keeps some basic economic activity going, even when there are a lot of negative factors. I've made a prediction or two that was overly pessimistic/optimistic about...

No, I did not. What I asked was this: You replied with this: Bringing '20 years' as a number into it is you, not me. At this point, it's pretty clear that you're successively tripling down on confirmation bias, especially given the nonsense about radars and the like you were posting on the...

You're acting like I said 'all those Pilots are still in service.' That is not what I said. What I said is that the current leadership and teaching cadre are going to be people who have had actual combat experience from those times. You can certainly argue that it was not against a peer...

Carrier Operations supported Gulf War 1 & 2, which means that there have been actual combat operations off of US Carriers in the last 20 years. Given Carrier Air Wings are generally commanded by pilots, this means that the current crop of CAGs are going to be veterans from those conflicts, and...

Can you think of anything between now and then that might have carried that experience in running Carrier operations forward into the present?