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  1. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    Did you? Because I can absolutely tell you, the Bible does not teach that people should have blind faith. Even if some churches have started teaching that, it's not what is in the Bible. The idea that Christianity teaches to have faith for no reason, is yet another Atheist strawman. I'd pursue...
  2. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    I'm glad we understand each other then. It's important to recognize when your conception of the world is fundamentally different from that of another person's. Frankly, it's necessary to have a useful discourse at the deepest level. I think that people who persistently deny the existence of God...
  3. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    You're again making unmerited assumptions on my behalf, one which fails to understand the worldview I'm operating from. My argument wasn't 'other people didn't think such things before,' it was 'the reason other people thought this before, was because they recognized part of how God designed...
  4. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    You are either horribly misinformed, or playing games with meanings. 1. You completely fail to understand Christian morality. Doing what is right out of fear of the law, is the realm of those who have already failed morally. In Christian morality, what should be done, is that you Love others...
  5. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    This is why I have specified western/materialistic atheism in a number of my posts. What Buddhism/Confucianism teach is very different. And I'm quite familiar with how Nietzsche deconstructed attempts at morality without God. That's part of my point.
  6. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    This is both wrong and insulting. I do not believe what I believe because one day I just decided I wanted to. I don't believe it because some older generation passed it down to me. I very carefully analyzed and considered the world around me and what ideology it seemed to correspond to, and I've...
  7. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    If you're referring to the bloody nazis, they were absolutely atheists. Hitler notably lamented how the 'weak' nature of Christian cultural heritage in Germany made it harder to do what he wanted to in the nation. You also had some of the Christian holdouts, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, being part...
  8. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    The thing is, part of what enables communism/socialism, is the cultural and moral vacuum left by atheism. There have been Christian groups that tried socialism, and some still try, socialism. It tends to result in economic failure, but not genocide and other forms of mass-murder. In these...
  9. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    It'd be very easy to counter-argue this with the following: "This sounds like an attempt by mere human beings to delegitimize the Great I Am, who is the Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, by claiming that the precepts he built into the conscience of all human beings are, in fact, human...
  10. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    That's an interesting claim. It seems to be operating on the assumption that Judaism and Christianity are not actually the result of direct divine revelation.
  11. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    So let me get this straight. Your counter-argument to my assertion that atheism has no coherent moral framework, and that what moral framework it has, is most often simply inherited from Christianity... Is to quote half of Jesus Christ's summation of moral law back at me. And you didn't even...
  12. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    I don't have a 'need to,' I'm simply pointing out the truth. An atheist can be a plentifully moral person. That's not something that stems from their atheism though, in fact, it's something that runs against their atheism. To be clear, I'm more specifically referring to western 'there is no...
  13. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    You can have a moral framework, but it's not one that's logically consistent with a naturalistic view of the universe. Plenty of atheists are moral people, but that is no more or less rationally consistent with atheism, than being utterly amoral, or completely immoral.
  14. LordsFire

    The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

    You're missing a couple of key factors here: 1. Atheist regimes dominated and instigated the European part of WWII. 2. While in the USA 'mainstream culture' started to secularize in the 1960's, it was actually in the 1800's that the culture of the leadership of the USA and Europe began to...
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