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Well you can argue that the U.S. gave nukes to the U.K. before anyone else. The Soviet Union got nukes by stealing our secrets from us with spies and traitors. France got their own nukes, China probably made nukes themselves, though the Soviets might have helped them. The Chinese gave help for...

But what if Russia or China decides to use those same tactics against you in spite? Ok you give Ukraine nukes now Russia gives nukes to Iran.

That's an entire army! I can't believe that the president's were ok with that.

Wait? Are you saying there were Soviet troops actually stationed in Cuba? I'm talking like a base like America has in Germany, not deniable assets. I honestly did not know that, but the thought would make me pretty nervous, I would not want my rivals to set up ANY military units close to my borders.

It’s not that much of a difference. America puts nuclear weapons in quite a few NATO nations, like Turkey. There is no reason to think that we would completely refuse to station nukes in Ukraine if the opportunity was available. TheSoviets also had nukes in some Warsaw Pact nations.

Well yes but I never said anything about a first strike. If the Soviets don’t back off and our navy fought theirs in the Caribbean but we won we also would not use nukes their military is at the bottom of the sea. They probably won’t use nukes either since they were humiliated but it’s far from...

Oh so either a coward or an idiot. Well people are free to use the block button but I’d rather those kinds of people that can’t deal with opinions they hate never get mod powers. Yes because the Soviets backed off. But I believe we most certainly would have used force to prevent a danger so...

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Well it’s great you aren’t setting policy then. Because the Russians may very well call your bluff and be willing to go nuclear over western troops on their border with Ukraine just like we were with Soviet nukes in Cuba. Also Germany and other European nations are dependent on Russian gas...

Russia is a bad neighbor Europe needs a buffer Ukraine is perfect as the buffer bringing in Ukraine as part of NATO is not good for Europe because then we are next to Russia and an invasion means we have to defend them. Better a neutral independent Ukraine for everyone.