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this this this so much this I'd go one step further and say that if you belive in the concpet of tha amberhamic God at all, you pretty much have to accept the fact that this phisical reality is inherantly imperfect by nature of it being physical. Most protastants such as myself belive Once...

*sigh* you know what, suit yourself.

your not going to get a utopia kid, yes individualism has some flaws, but they are no worse than the issues your idea society faced back then. If you are not convinced of these problems many have brought to you, then I'd argue look no futher than the writings of the apostles/saints the fact that...

and I disagree with you. So with that, I think I'll end my part of this conversation. have a good day.

oh please, Like I have the clout to make the state enforce my will on you, get real. my point is making murder illegal doesin't stop people from murdering and I used those cities as exmples. Just because i'm pointing out that those places are anarchy in spite of the existence of the state...

I'm telling you how I think your wrong and your telling me I don't see the problem. So if I don't have the values YOU want then I must want total anarchy.....okayyy. Look dude I don't think government should be as big as you want it to be nor do I think it's the governments job to enforce the...

the stuff you just mentioned are why libertarians wag their fingers to begin because as far as we can see alot of the whole "Oh if only society was like I think it should" is what lead to a lot of these greater evils in the first place. Heck prohibiting murder exist, because a lot of people...

we have laws against those to prevent VIOLENCE not inact purity laws. Your comparing apples and oranges and fundamentally misunderstanding why those are prohibited in the first place. what is the point of prohibiting wedlock beyond " abomination." and more importantly how? Stone people, cut out...

If those are your only two pet peeves your barking at the wrong trees Though good luck enforcing not having sex outside of marriage the necessary means to enforce it would create far more problems than it would solve.

and what happens if my god is different than your god? what if I find your god a perversion of the one true God and ultimatly vice versa, and since we ultiamtly won't know the truth till the people are wrong are dead and condemned to hellfire, then what? We still have a rock in the middle of...

define "good," define "Being a part of something greater than yourself," and define "flourishing" I think your being a bit of a romantic. The history of Chivalry was not with the good of society in mind. fair enough.

it's not inherently good either. also who do you think are the kind of people who end up in positions to form a state? Especially the larger ones that consist of more than 1000 people? Those people are typically totalitarians with delusions of grandeur. Hence why they make empires. Edit...

and some animals eat each other. it's called envy, and just because it's human nature to want to become part of something greater doesn't mean it's a good thing. In fact in many cases it ends up being a self destructive bad thing.

Ah see I say the opposite it is the indiviudal atoms that make up the larger social order people who share the same interest and goals tend to group together. It's when things get bigger and individual intrest vary too much that the tribe falls apart. the individual defines the society not the...

It's ultimately going to come down to the question of do you have faith in your fellow man, do you trust them enough to believe that they won't gut you at thier earliest convince? and if somthing happens are you willing to put the blame on circumstances as oppsed to people? To both these I say...