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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    . . . your posting style really throws me for a loop. I get the sense you prioritize something smart sounding, rather than in the actual topic thread or actually inciteful. Could just be a different of style, but it rubs me wrong. To actual response as best I can. Well, every social thing has...
  2. J

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Why? Its extremely simple. Lots of human institutions operate on very similar principles. Well, you have a lot of intersecting interests and beliefs that lead to roughly the same outcome. Which I guess thinking about it can make it look complex, when its really a bunch of simple, self...
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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    More or less another ex-libertarian bitching about libertarianism video. Might be of interest to some.
  4. J

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Okay, so what are you doing here making "white noise"? This is what's so frustrating about you, nothing you say ever seems to have anything to do with the ongoing conversation.
  5. J

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    I mean, that's what your going to get, the left and right will duke it out, and the winner will rule. Given history, the left will probably be the ones who rule you. The idea the main issues are white noise is interesting.
  6. J

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    So, now you do accept that you can have a marriage enforced by the state? You stated earlier this made someone not a Libertarian, which so surprised me because the standard Libertarian line was as you stated. This is one of the things that makes you so frustrating to argue with, your position...
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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    I think here though your also highlighting why the NAP is so, insufficient: everyone has something very close to it. The idea of "do not do unjust violence" is not a particularly strong claim. All the important questions come down to questions of justice, or if some other goal exceeds the "cost"...
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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Its a little bit unclear to me given your responses if you don't understand the argument, or that you don't agree with the premises of the argument. Let me try maximally simplifying the basics of the argument: Premise 1: Pure libertarianism is only concerned about Liberty. Premise 2: Liberty...
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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    I think you might be confused by my criticism of Libertarianism, because your mostly restate that the complained about flaws exist, but seem to believe in the restatement of the flaws that this is proof of their nonexistence. I think this because you don't perceive them as flaws, and that your...
  10. J

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    We have different understandings of Libertarianism. Which one is more accurate I believe is up for debate. Or, maybe more accurate, which understanding is more useful is up for debate. My sense is your much more focused on the spherical cow definition of libertarianism, while I'm much more...
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    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    I sometimes wonder if there's a bit of an issue with freedom/libertarianism as an ideology is in many contexts freedom is a means, not an ends. This is an issue I was pondering a bit with the idea of democracy after watching the Adam/Sitch debate with the Distributist, where they seemed utterly...
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