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  1. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Well, the PoD I presented at the start of this thread was a Second Mexican Civil War in the 1980s or 1990s; obvious benefit is securing the Southern border, preventing Soviet or Chinese influence there, and securing Mexico for American business interests whom do a lot of enterprise there. The...
  2. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I got access to CIDE's 10 years of polling data about Mexican societal attitudes recently, which is a true treasure drove. To explain what their project is: Mexico, the Americas and the World is a research project of the International Studies Division of the Center for Economic Research and...
  3. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I'm angling more for contemporary sources concerning the New Union, rather than Putinist thought.
  4. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Question: what are some sources concerning the Russian thinking the Ukraine?
  5. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I'm again confused by what your argument is?
  6. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    My original idea concerning the USSR was that Gorbachev is ousted in 1987 or so, preventing the Post-1988 reforms (like removing the CPSU's control over politics) from happening. Even if Gorbachev remains and we get the New Union, I just don't see any real reason to assume Ukraine not being in...
  7. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    A lot depends on how exactly things have played out; I suggested earlier in my USSR post that Gorby might get removed in 1987 or so, at which point the Post-1988 Reforms that lead to the dissolution have yet to happen. If we are going with Gorby still around a liberalizing Union, then Ukraine...
  8. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    What Russian Nationalists, Comrade?
  9. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Gorbachev wanted Ukraine in the Union, but I doubt he would use force to do so; the Union would continue on without it.
  10. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    My basic assumption here is that Yeltsin is a non-factor; he was on the verge of being sidelined in 1988 and it's really only luck he in position to assert the influence he historically did.
  11. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Again, I'm confused by your argument; Gorby wanted to keep Ukraine in the Union and Yeltsin historically favored breaking up the Union. These are different positions?
  12. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I think that requires both a high degree of foresight and an estimation of what the relevant political factions are at the time. The element of the GOP base that you cite, which stopped Bush's efforts in 2006-2007, was not able to do so with Reagan in 1986; this suggests to me it had yet to...
  13. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I think a lot of the modern or near recent exploits on immigration have to be considered in the vein of the times. For example, see Nixon: The United States of America is witnessing a growing Latin American voting demographic, and many might be surprised to learn that the first “Latino”...
  14. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Worth noting Reagan got through an amnesty in 1986 without noticeable political blowback. Undoubtedly the U.S. public is broadly Anti-Immigration in general, especially the illegal variety, but even in present times there tends to be a mollified attitude towards legal immigration and directly...
  15. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    I acquired a copy of In the Shadow of the Giant: The Americanization of Mexico by Joseph Contreras, who was Newsweek’s editorial bureau chief in Mexico City during the 1980s, and then was made their Latin America regional editor in 2005. To quote directly from his book: During the PRI’s long...
  16. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Up to this point I've mainly been focused in on the North American side of things, so I wanted to take a second to consider the wider ranging ramifications while also tying it into my current research about the late Cold War. An obvious question about a scenario in the 1980s-1990s is the impact...
  17. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Returning to this because I've been thinking about it a lot lately as I've been reading about the last stage of the Cold War. The easiest PoD is probably to have the 1988 election directly spiral into a Second Mexican Civil War, which was actually pretty close to happening IOTL. For various...
  18. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Worth noting Puerto Rico has the same rate of English usage as Mexico, and the latter is even IOTL moving towards a bilingual education system.
  19. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    Probably lol, but when I found it the other day the overall concept reminded me of this thread.
  20. History Learner

    Mexico joins the United States...in the 1990s?

    OttoVonSuds on DeviantArt has a similar scenario to this, called Recent Annexation of Mexico:
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