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I'm not disputing that, but there's a difference between being war-weary of drawn-out occupations half the world away for some vague strategic goal nobody can even articulate properly (at least from the POV of the population) and defending your own borders or backyard from an invasion force.

I don't think the Russians are close enough to taking the country yet to make such demands, but maybe I'll be proven wrong, we'll see.

Covertly gathering intelligence for Turkey's own purposes (learn more about Russian military performance?) Is one possibility.

Don't red herring me. Where are the mass defections? Where are they?

Not only that, but didn't Putin claim that over 30% of Ukrainians will accept the Russian military with flowers, and there would be mass defections to the Russian side by the Ukrainian military, because the """"fascist government"""" of Ukraine (talk about projection) doesn't represent the...

No, the white "Z" is a Russian military marking.

Not even close.

Wow this thing is not very well programmed, fails the turing test right out of the gate. But that's Russian programming for you...

Ukrainian forces claim they shot down 7 RAF planes by now. Take with grain of salt, naturally, but it's not completely impossible.

The "normal civilized approach" is to surrender sovereign territory any time a neighboring country demands it? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: don't know in what kind of civilization you're living in, but I sure wouldn't trade places with you.

Didn't you notice that Russia has rebel provinces all around the place, and any attempt to dislodge them is met with an instant invasion, totes justified to "protect the local population from oppression"? Remember Georgia 2008? Pepperidge Farm remembers.