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I don't think the disagreement is in "order". There must always be order for any system to function pretty much by definition. Chaos being the rejection of a system. On the subject I think "Order" and "Security" are required just as "Liberty" is required. To have more of one will, by necessity...

Oh Men are certainly flawed beings and I do not now or previously expect men to be saints. The issue, the reason why I view the Universal Church as the "worse guys" in this hypothetical, isn't so much the killing itself or even human nature tendency towards abuse of power. No, my core objection...

I would agree with you that the left wants/ is attempting build a universal empire. But that stops well short of public assassinations and most of it, like attempting to promote multiculturalism in the middle east , is mostly a waste of time and ceases to exist the nanosecond American blood and...

Well what we're discussing is the the exact opposite of being "left alone". We're talking about forceful conversions under penalty of death or exile to an astrotuffed religion created for political purposes for people far removed from your culture and history. Now could demand for stability and...

Well I was envisioning something a little further than the post WW2 scenario. More like "allies" who in exchange for the Empire's protection have to tribute X percent of military age males to train and serve beneath the Imperial banner/ food products/military equipment ect. Less NATO where its...

Shrug. I find @Skallagrim quite informed and knowledgeable on the subject, even persuasive, and I find many of the ideas he presents quite fascinating even if I don't agree with all the details. As you say its unlikely the Augustus of our age is going to be conquering much of the West via armies...

Well I didn't mean to misquote you. I honestly felt "condemn" was a suitable synonym to what you were suggesting. I apologize for my error. Regardless, what you describe sounds a lot worse than condemn. That's what I figured but I did want to make sure. Now I'll admit this could be a...

Something along those lines was kind of what I was envisioning for a 21st century Christianity. I'm just not sureyou could go much farther than that and actually try to unify everyone under one house without it causing more problems than it solves.

Playing Devil's advocate I could kind of see all the main denominations coming together setting up some universal guidelines for "Christianity" regardless of faith. Ie homosexuality is a sin and any church that says different isn't preaching Christ's teachings for example but leaving the...

I suppose my question is what actually happens when a church(s) says no because they lost out on dictating "correct" orthodoxy or their dicks or they prefer a seat of religion closer to home. What does "condem" them mean in practice. Are we talking sternly worded essays or people being...

Oh humanity's pretty resilient. I very much doubt we, as a species, would perish. It would just be hell for the individual.

At least until the nukes start going off. Either between nation-states or from the Revolutionaries "troubles" deciding to escalate things.

I'd concur, the really bad thing is while the general technology base would likely fall due to the interconnecting systems collapsing its likely that the raw knowledge would survive so I could see humanity getting stuck in a relative short, few centuries long loop as nations redevelop nuclear...

To elaborate a little deeper on why I feel nukes, potentially at least, alter the dynamics of civilization evolution is that while I do agree you are just as dead if your skull is bashed in by a heavy club as if you immolated in a nuclear blast that seems to me to miss the ease of the latter in...

I will add, both you and @Lord Sovereign appear to approve of this Emperor's actions because of who he did it against or that he was advocating a policy you agree with. Which seems a wrong-headed way to determine if an action is warranted. After all everyone is "obviously wrong" to someone and...

Your argument was there was not a sufficient mental difference between having your world killed by men with clubs versus nuclear missiles and therefor no change in the paradigm is possible. Which I find to be based on false assumptions. Edit: To clarify your argument is that since we still...

I would say there's a very profound difference. Men with clubs, or pre-industrial weapons, have to be at least on the fringes of your "world" and require relatively good coordination and focus since you are physically having to go out and destroy everything. Further if you are the richer, more...

I don't know. To me, while the outcome may be similar I'm not sure the reason behind it is the same. A child understands he has a body and isn't just a head with sticks for limbs rather that abstract image is the closest he can approximate the truth as he sees it. While an Ai has no...

I feel like you misunderstood me, likely due to the divergence in our political views and outlook. My objection was to your comparison saying there was no difference between the economic policies of Trump and Bernie because, in your view, they are both populist. I don't view populism as an...

Eh, they might both be protectionist but I don't think Bernie would kick his redistribution or excessive registration kneecapping the free market.