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See my problem with this is you repeatedly claim there are no or few explicit numbers available then turn around make claims involving explicit numbers. We don't know every sector fleet has 45 ships in it or that the 600 Lunars are evenly broken down in the Obscurus segmentum. Maybe it is or...

But that's what a minimum is. The lowest possible value you can push an example. Ie an example of one class of cruiser is an example of 1 ship. So 629+ would be a true minimum since we don't know what numbers the other ships are produced in. No it doesn't "require" it. Indeed if we take the...

Found this which appears to be the source of the "nearly 500" Murder class cruisers in 4 millennia which also had a couple of other ship number related examples I thought I'd post. First it talks about Segmentum Tempestus Nothing too major but I did think it was interesting that sectors can...

Found the Battlefleet excerpt concerning the Lunar cruiser, taken from here: Reinforcing how the 600 strong Lunar class manages to be a mainstay in Obscuras Segmentum with 20(!) ships engaged in the Gothic War. It also establishes the design can be built upon worlds that normally can't build...

I imagine they could in terms of pure industrial output but without replicating their use of droids I'm not sure on the bottleneck of training personnel. One of the reasons I'm cautious about leaning to hard on the Death Stars as evidence of the number of ISDs they could build.

I'd disagree. If we're talking about the Lunar example, the minimum would be 600+ cruisers. An Imperium with just 700 cruisers would fit the one, solitary datapoint it provides, that there are 600 Lunars in one segment. Now I don't think that's the best estimate but that is the actual minimum...

Okay, I'll try again. Where is it stated the Lunar class is representative as opposed to being the exceptional outlier. That may or may not be but it doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the Lunar class is representative of cruiser numbers. In this context likely closer to an...

In what way do GE ships have "less effective" weapons? They have shorter range but with their tactics and precision of hyperjumps they can, for the most part, make up for the former. Per OP ton for ton their weapons are as powerful as the Imperium. Yes, their ships are, for the most part...

That wasn't in question. My point was that, in the example being discussed, the Imperium wasn't depicted as some industrial powerhouse but rather someone who could win because it was so much larger than its opponent. That is is the "Russia" to the Tau's "Ukraine". And that when it goes up...

Okay this bit strikes me as a particularly puzzling bit of reasoning "It is also confirmed by their being over 600 Lunar class in a Segmentum fleet (specifically, that of Segmentum Obscurus). There are 6 other cruiser and 8 light cruiser classes in a fleet – assuming a minimum of 200 and...

Well there's a difference between being able to build a cruiser between 3-11 years and perpetually doing so . We don't know the production rate, the division of resources between ships and other equipment or the Imperium needs. For instance if they only need a new battleship once every...

I'm not seeing where your getting any production numbers from. Without knowing attrition rate or even when, or if, a ship is decommissioned we can't determine how often a forge world would need to build a battleship

Do we have any examples like we have of the Empire building deathstars or spamming tens of thousands of ISDs? Basically every time we hear about a ship's age it's thousands of years old. They even still have ships in service that predate the Imperium. That suggests a fairly weak industry if...

So, by your own statement, we have evidence the Galactic Empire can marshal a thousand ships for an operation should the situation call for it disproving your earlier, baseless assertion. Which makes sense against a peer opponent that can maneuver and react as quickly as you can. Obviously that...

Well, the question would be if they ever had the reason to send a thousand ships or not. For virtually the entire time we see them their fighting guerilla Rebels not fighting a stand up fight. Even Endor was first and foremost a trap requiring stealth and secrecy rather than sheer number of...

Faster ftl and communications. In otherworldly they can detect, analyze, prepare, launch and recall a strike against an Imperium world controlling the battles pace. So a thousand ISDs can engage and destroy many times their total number piecemeal style while the Imperium is sluggishly trying...

And if we had an example of a "clean" Warp communication time I'd be willing to use it. We don't. Hell if we had a quote explicitly stating the time for a communication was solely because of its turbulent nature and that comminication would be far swift pre-war in heaven that would be...

Except we don't know what affect, if any, that would have since that has never been depicted. Prudence requires us to assume things operate normally to their universe. Anything else and we're no longer debating 40k but your fanfic.

Problem is, thanks to the equally hilariously advantage the Galactic Empire has in communication and movement speed, the Imperium would have a difficult time exploiting those advantages. They'd almost always be the ones reacting while the GE could dictate the shape and time of the battlespace...

I'd say the Galactic Empire would take this, thanks to having real time communication coupled with absurdly swift FTL. The Imperium would struggle to ever have the initiative and would be reduced to WWI-esque blind assault by time tables having completely lost the OODA loop. While the Empire...