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To be fair ATP is not exactly a bad choice for a life partner. I mean if your looking for some one to be your significant other you could do much much worse.

They might as well get rid of their baltic fleet because its functionally useless now. Both the Baltic and black seas are effectively bottled up. Their naval options are not pacific and artic and their ship building capacity is pretty much limited to the western part of Russia. They would be...

if russia was trying to avoid nato expansion they really fucked it up.

if it works then it works my friend.

The man played a bad hand well but it doesn't detract from the fact that he had a bad hand and how bad his hand was, was hidden from him. Because he didn't know how bad the rot is russias weakness has been exposed to the world. The longer they bleed in Ukraine the more blood and treasure they...

The deal was probally one where the sweeds were told to not get involved in turkeys internal issues, and give them some goodies. With that done the Russian baltic fleet is now completely and utterly worthless.

you know sweeden could have joined up a long ass time ago....really would have helped to have them in during the cold war.

We all know Erdogan wrangled some concessions out of the sweeds for this, and I cant really blame him. You get what you can for your own people. Still at the end of the day this means the baltics and the black sea are now firmly closed to Russian influance. So the Russian navy is for all...

Their going to have to do some serious groveling to the turks for all of the times they talked mad shit to get woke points.

Sweden might not happen, fact is the Finns didn't get involved in Turkey's personal business like the Sweeds have and havent soured relations like the Sweeds have based on woke points. Just getting Finland is honestly a coup and really all we need to completely shut the russians down in the...

We got the Finns if Turkey says no we still won.

I don't see why not the Finn's haven't gotten into Turkish business like the sweeds have so letting them in doesn't risk a loss of face

Russia has acted like this since the imperial period.

The fins are the more valuable of the two.

You know thats a pretty good compromise. Finland is the more valuable of the two.

sweden must finally getting used to the backroom deals common in Nato, now they just need to work with Turkey and their in.

you know what if we just get finland, that still achieves the goal of being able to utterly fuck Russia if they get froggy.

Turky controls the straits, while getting sweden and Finland closes the baltic sea the fact is we can do that now with the danes and Norway in place. Quite simply put because of geography Turkey is more valuable. Second get used to Turkey being a major player in the region quite simply put...

Kind of tells you just how assholish the Russians are that the Greeks and turks historical enemies for hundreds of years looked at each other and said truce at the same time.