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Communists may talk a great deal about equality, but they aren't actually for it, as their actions show otherwise.

And while I think couples should be encouraged to have families, I do not limit that to heterosexual couples, and we've already been over the idea of linking marriage to procreation. I do not see same-sex marriage as debasing or harmful in any way to others as it literally does not effect them...

The only reason things have degraded the way they have is because the bad actors saw their chance to keep shifting the goal posts and took it, and either people lacked the sense to call them on it, or they were too afraid to say anything against it because they were afraid of getting called a...

If your position against things like porn and same-sex marriage is based on a religious position, then it's going to be an example of forcing your religion on others. Even the attempts at making secular arguments still end up going back to religion as the motivator, whereas my position is on...

Hell, I acknowledge a bare minimum of value of Christianity just in general. Most of the morality I hold on to derives from it, even. I only really disagree on a few points here and there with them (though apparently for some of them these points are fairly significant), and only really care...

No - the entire reason I started using the term was to specify exactly who I'm talking about, specifically because I didn't want to paint the entire left and all liberals as being like them, just as I'm not referring to all conservatives when I use terms like "regressive right" or "moral crusaders."

Shit, just in the above post you're assuming I'm pretending that everyone who is against me is just an idiot. I was speaking about specific groups of people.

I've literally seen these morons say that criminals won't have any guns to pull on you if guns are banned. It's hilarious to see you stick up for them, though. And the comparisons I make are all based on actions and talk I've seen from both groups, not assumptions, like you. ;)

Apparently I understand both you and them a lot better than either of you understand me.

:rolleyes: Just rolling my eyes at a bunch of you... By punishment, I'm not referring to God smiting anyone, I'm talking about going to Hell. If you're only a good person because you fear going to hell, this doesn't really make you a good person, especially when compared to someone who is a...

The divine punishment angle is a double-edged sword when you really think about it. Really, it's a round-about way of saying the only reason you are not a horrible person is because you fear punishment, whereas someone like myself is a good person simply because I desire to be.

All those young, fit bodies... Yeah, I can see why that probably happens/happened. :giggle:

Wow, when you're so anti-child that you advocate killing them because "they aren't really human yet." :oops:

I dislike the idea of it being a "duty" such that it essentially transforms people into livestock in a way, but I do think people should be encouraged. I guess "positive reinforcement" would be a way of putting it. There's an ingrained mentality at work that would have to be fought against...

You realize that homosexuals are a small percentage of the population, right? Also, that there are all kinds of American kids up for adoptions, right? As for the gay pride stuff - I'm pro equal rights, not pro exhibitionism.

That might be what you would do, but I would do different. I mean, I would try to encourage adoption, as there are all kinds of kids out there who need parents who would give a damn about them, but I wouldn't hold it against same-sex couples who would want a biological child, even if only one...

What of having a legal right to information about the medical condition of a loved one, or the power to make decisions for them if they are unable to? That's very much tied in to marriage. Also, there's the whole issue of taxes, which is always going to be an issue with the state.

Even without medical advancements, there's adoption, and also surrogates have been a thing for a very long time with couples who can't reproduce normally. And for lesbians, all they need is a sperm donor and in vitro fertilization is totally already a thing.

Well, according to another thread, the punishment for it was either lobotomy or castration. Neither of those seems much better than death. Also the right-wing version of being unpersoned.

And you're just going to double down on the gas-lighting. There goes my respect for you, then.