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  1. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    1. You cannot possibly know or prove that. 2. This is not only a slippery slope fallacy, it's a particularly stupid and easily disproved example of the slippery slope. Food is one of the least elastic of all goods, people can eat only so much and require a medically established amount of...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    Agriculture and food distribution is handled at the national level because States do not generally grow their own food, only a handful do most of the production and it has to be distributed everywhere else. Imagine New York trying to feed it's massive population off the microscopic amount of...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    No I didn't. I mentioned it in the context of motivations for people to work, improving one's lifestyle being a reason to keep working even if you can get a bowl of lentil stew free at the soup kitchen. Stop misrepresenting my position. But the US already does so, and these terrible...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    I see your edits and I appreciate it. As I said, I personally am active in my community helping the poor. Admittedly I wind up helping the elderly more than the working-class homeless but I don't really see a problem with that. I've gotten an impressive amount of wisdom from some of my elders...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    I do indeed do charitable work around my hometown, mostly light house repair, mowing lawns, driving people to job interviews/doctor appointments, and buying groceries for the handicapped and elderly that have trouble leaving their homes. And I'm highly displeased to see, literally two minutes...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    I'm rather tempted to suspect you're not arguing in good faith here as it looks much like you rolled out a laundry list of prefab anti-communism rants rather than engaging any of my points. Free apartments? I already dismissed that possibility earlier and called for less rent control and zoning...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    You cannot possibly prove that bald-faced assertion, nor can you actually be sure. Now granted I'm in the same boat in that the exact situation I'm describing hasn't been tried. However I can look at basic market forces. Humans want things, things beyond merely having the bare necessities...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    You asked why people would do office jobs. I answered that office jobs would have to be more pleasant and provide a better quality of life than the miserable existence they do now.
  9. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    Well I'm not proposing people get luxuries, they'll still be needing to work for anything better than subsistence so that will help keep them motivated to work. People working on their hobbies can be a net good for society, I'd expect a significant increase in authors, artists, and musicians...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    Then you did not actually read my post. I never said water and food were provided free of charge, I said the military, police, education up to 12th grade, and roads were provided by the government (Taxpayer paid rather than free, but free to the end user). What I said regarding food and water...
  11. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    Yes, your edits weren't up when I started typing and I didn't see them. Your position is clearer and seems more reasonable to me now. I'm presuming that you messed up your sentence structure there because there's no way something that isn't provided anywhere close to free of charge isn't an...
  12. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    So what? That's orthogonal to my point, which is that getting free things (sunlight and oxygen in the example) doesn't cause you to quit working. The fact that trees don't charge you doesn't matter. It's not like other things aren't provided free of charge that people do have to pay for. I'm...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    Let me point out a couple of things by way of comparison. Right now you don't have to pay for oxygen or sunshine. Those things are provided for free. Does that mean you don't work anymore? Do you think the economy would be better if you paid for each breath and had to pay the sun to stay up...
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    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    I'd love to live in the United Federation of Planets, and have argued in the past that this should come about if and when AI and automation get advanced enough to ensure that the economy can afford to give everybody those things free.
  15. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    That's not fair, @ShadowArxxy didn't say the violence and riots didn't happen, He (She? Not sure) said they weren't typical. Which is debatable but seems at least truth-adjacent in that there have been actual non-violent protests and the sticking point is what the ratio is which isn't clear.
  16. Bear Ribs

    Validity of Left-Right Divide Concerns

    I would say the Left has some legitimate concerns for a certainty. Health care is a major problem that needs fixing, and while I don't agree entirely with how Obamacare rolled out* it's something that needs addressing and the Right isn't handling it. I also think social safety nets are an...
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