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  1. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    No, they clearly both began at conception and split later. Neither one is the "original," both started at the same time. Saying they clearly don't is massaging the data to fit a preconception that they're an exception. So if a dude gives a girl a ruffie and rapes her in her sleep, it's okay if...
  2. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    Twins aren't an argument against conception any more than clones are. Both twins lives began at conception, and they separated later. The problems you list are entirely pedantic and without substance, though. By your own standards, the notion of brain activity is clearly nonsensical because...
  3. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    As you wish. The problem with your desire to go off of brain activity is that it's dependent on the quality of instruments and how faint the electrical activity is before you hit an arbitrary threshold. Even the neuroepithelial cells that form the neural plate in the first few days have gap...
  4. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    Yeah? Of course they are. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/offspring Yes, they are. You don't get the pull the "I'm just being precise" card while ignoring precise meanings. Granted some people will define Offspring as only one generation but that's not the most common or accepted...
  5. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    Yes it does, Mr. Pedant. The meaning of the word offspring is literally "Descended from." And if you modified an organism enough that it had non-human genes in it most people would want a long hard look at whether or not it was considered human anymore. You misunderstand, my issue is that you...
  6. Bear Ribs

    The Abortion Thread

    Of course a clone is the offspring of two humans, specifically the parents of the donor. You can trace their genetic lineage quite easily and prove this to be the case. And do you have any argument to make that isn't trying to accommodate some bizarre edge-case? Nobody feels the need to...
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