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  1. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    I do indeed veer into theatrics when presented with especially poor argumentation. You've been running on an evidence standard of "trust me bro" and repeatedly ignored requests for more information, it's hard to believe you're arguing in good faith. But if they disturb you, I'll hold back. I...
  2. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    Bullshit. No wait, let me rephrase. Bullshit. Bullshit. Can I get a lens flare? Is there a sparkle option on these boards? Because that's bullshit on a level rarely seen. No, punishment is not given to the people delivering the punishment, it's given to the people being punished. The...
  3. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    I would argue that Honor Killings are rather a clear argument for my point of view. It's a threat of violence if the girl doesn't toe the line and obey, not a threat of ostracism, gossip, of humiliation. She's not being shamed, she's being murdered, and she'll be used as an example to make the...
  4. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    You can't expect accuracy from somebody trying to argue that there's only one kind of culture on the entire planet, broken down into five subcategories.
  5. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    Well obviously I disagree on Islamic culture. I know calling it an honor/shame culture is popular, and it does contain some shame/honor because every culture has all three elements to some degree. However, it's undisputed that Japan is strongly shame/honor oriented, consequently identifying...
  6. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    Most such maps are pretty heavily slanted, with nobody wanting to get canceled for their map showing the wrong culture as "fear." In this case, the artist renamed fear culture "anxiety" for their favorite areas to avoid admitting California, London, et. al are fear cultures. Admitting the...
  7. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    I agree with this but have one more bit to add: 3) A nation that has an incoming stream of aid does not need to build up an economy, and can devote all their funds to buying weapons to invade their neighbors knowing that when their unsupported agriculture sector collapses, people will send aid...
  8. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    I tend to agree. Introducing democracy to a fear/power culture just leads to typical banana republic behavior. History clearly shows the cure isn't letting people vote, it's removing the Might Makes Right mindset. The proper way to alter their culture is typically to introduce a...
  9. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    Yeah, failure to understand the nature of how these cultures motivate people causes a lot of problems. We talk sometimes about multiculturalism and how it affects culture clash. But some groups seem to just naturally get along well, while others only fight. It's because of how their...
  10. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    You're not entirely wrong, and necessarily one has to make generalizations. However, I was using those lines primarily to show how the press would react, not the victim. In general, in a shame/honor culture being victimized is shameful, so revealing a crime shames the victim and the criminal...
  11. Bear Ribs

    Philosophy Guilt, Shame, and Fear

    This thread is to discuss primary motivations in a society's social structure. A culture in general will always have all three of these primary motivations mixed in, but typically one is far more dominant than the other two. The United States in particular is in an interesting position in that...
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