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The UEG did negotiate at first, it's not like the colonies said "can we be independent?" and the UEG just shot them all immediately. Those negotiations just didn't work out. You've been watching the TV series, haven't you? Spartans were sent after high level targets, leaders and organizers...

I think that's a very poor reading of what the series says about Carver and is just more reddit nonsense geared toward trying to blame everything on the UNSC. The point of the findings isn't to explain how the war started, that was already covered years in advance, the point was to put a stake...

That's from Karen Travis's stuff, which means it didn't happen. We also don't know the exact details of what happened there. Ok, but what are the limits to that principle? Surely you don't have an unlimited right to do whatever you want regardless of the laws or constraints of any government.

My understanding is that it was less "authoritarian command economy" and more "I don't care if you want to be a dance instructor with a half dozen kids, this colony was just barely terraformed and it takes 6 months to get a supply shipment if something goes wrong, so shut up and grow those...

Em, no. The point of the thread is to discuss if the UNSC as a whole is evil, not if the S2 or 3 program were. I don't recall the founding fathers ever loading up a cart with a bunch of gunpowder and detonating it in the middle of trafalgar square. The insurrectionist's motives have not been...

Ok, and? The Spartan program was extremely unethical. Duh. No, they were supposed to kill terrorists who were running around bombing civilians as part of a treasonous war against the government. I don't think that's an option, my understanding of the carver findings (the mathematical models...

It was also so they would have closure over what happened, rather than just so they wouldn't have questions and by happenstance got closure. Abducting thier kids was evil, and I don't deny that, but you're not looking at the whole situation (and yes, I know it's morally dubious to create a clone...

They're not evil, and they're not good, it's not that simple. "Is it good to do a bad thing to stop a worse thing from happening, if you know the bad thing is still bad" isn't a question that has a clear yes or no answer. That moral complexity at the heart of the Halo series is one of the...