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  1. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    Actually, his comment was about the Professional-Managerial Class, which is a critique that's if anything more in line with a Marxist viewpoint than anything else. Maybe actually listen to what people are saying instead of just trying to play buzzword bingo? At the very least it would allow you...
  2. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    To be clear, forum rules don't ban trolling. They do absolutely ban harassment campaigns aiming to brow beat other members into leaving, and those rules will be enforced.
  3. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    A one to one comparison makes Maddow look worse, not Tucker. Tucker was discussing Trump's legal issues with a pari of ex-porn stars, comparing their tactics to extortion, which is certainly debatable. Though given that Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for one them, is currently in federal prison...
  4. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    From the Maddow suit, per my linked article: "The statement could not reasonably be understood to imply an assertion of objective fact," And "Anything beyond this is Maddow’s opinion or her exaggeration of the facts," And “Maddow had inserted her own colorful commentary into and throughout the...
  5. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    So, when Fox says "hey, this isn't supposed to be 100% truth, it's just Tucker's opinion and not meant to be taken as literal truth", that's a lame defense of speaking false information for profit that shouldn't have worked. When MSNBC says the exact same thing in defense, then they should win...
  6. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    "This isn't just purely facts, it's commentary and opinion in reaction to the facts" is not a defense unique to Fox or Jones, it's one journalists across the political spectrum have used repeatedly.
  7. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    There is a clear difference between "democrats rigged the game by running the election under illegal rules they crammed through under the excuse of covid, and then under those rules Biden won", and the ever shifting morass of "evidence" that people like Bacle keep waving around, which two years...
  8. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    Um.....no? Skimming through thier links, it all appears to be sourced enough to stand up. There's certainly spin (ie, the "Pelosi called for violence" bit is linked a pre-riot video of her saying she'd punch Trump if he showed up in the capital building), but it appears to be true enough to not...
  9. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    "Copaganda", ugh. Could you be any more of a stereotype? It can't be that we just have different opinions or values, no, I must have been brainwashed by Law And Order. Did all of the people bragging about antifa do something violent? No, probably not. Did enough of those people do something...
  10. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    1. In and of itself, no. But after antifa keeps showing up to "protests" that keep escalating into riots that caused billions of damage and killed dozens of people, maybe someone should start taking a look at the people filling their social media pages with bragging about how they're involved in...
  11. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/stewart-rhodes-arrested-jan-6/2022/01/13/558ecc42-7414-11ec-8b0a-bcfab800c430_story.html So, a year after the allegedly self evident coup/insurrection/whatever, the government has actually found someone they can actually charge with that instead...
  12. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    I'd like to see the math on that. "More likely" is not the same as "likely", after all. And if growing up with a step parent was even remotely close to being as bad for long term outcomes as growing up with a single parent, I feel like that's a thing I'd have heard of before now. Now...
  13. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    There's certainly a concerning number of deluded partisans, however there's no Reichstag Fire Decree waiting to be issued and set to screw us all. The closest thing they have is H.R. 1 and nuking the filibuster, both of which are bad, however there's a side element to that. The Dems know they...
  14. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    That's not really a reasonable comparison. The Reichstag fire was taken seriously by most Germans, and in reaction the government was able to rally supporters around itself and focus the public attention on a small subset of the population, who were heavily targeted and suppressed by the...
  15. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    It says something very unpleasant about our times that you can say something so transparently insane and not fear any substantial consequences or blowback for doing so. Granted, in Harris's case that's partial because her approval rating have effectively bottomed out already so whatever she...
  16. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    This is, to my knowledge, a fair point. They are overwhelmingly facing nothing more than none violent trespassing charges, the sort of detention and confinement they've been made to put up with pre-trial is absurdly harsh in comparison to the charges. It's gotten to the point a federal judge...
  17. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    It's certainly a hard conclusion to buy. The usual standard for a justified shooting is "imminent threat", if someone is not on the verge of inflicting serious bodily harm to another person in that very moment, you cannot shoot them. Emphasis on serious harm, mere injury is not enough to make a...
  18. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    Ok people, things are getting a bit testy here and the staff would appreciate it if y'all would take it down a notice and please dial down the animosity a bit.
  19. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    I think you're missing the core dispute. The question isn't over some rioters getting out of jail or having charges and some not, the question is if proportionally more right wing rioters are getting hit as compared to left wing ones, which those articles don't mention.
  20. Battlegrinder

    Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

    I know a guy that ate food once, and it turned out it was contaminated with something and he died. Guess I should never eat anything, it might be contaminated too. Edit: Put less sarcastically, yes, polling has issues, however you don't really have another choice here. You're trying to argue...
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