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  1. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    No, the argument is that war does not always allow you enough time to prepare for it. United States are in a fairly unique position of not having major enemies that they share a land border with. This has allowed them to maintain an all-volunteer army and for the system to work fairly well. Not...
  2. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Problem is the very nature of modern society. In feudal society, a lord owned the land and, in practice, people on it. There was (usually) some sort of connection. But today, wealth is transnational and disconnected from land, and so are the elites themselves. Medieval nobility often gave their...
  3. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Anarchy would have no social mobility at all because you wouldn't have society. Anyway, point is that feudalism was heavily decentralized. In fact, early feudalism was precisely what you described: a bunch of small warlords. Ironically, in many ways they had more freedom than people today - but...
  4. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Feudalism was probably the closest thing we ever had to a "sustainable" anarchy.
  5. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    To be fair, that didn't need to be America's war. OTOH, a strong alliance might have prevented World War 2 before it began, seeing how a weak alliance was what started it.
  6. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Uh, "restrain" and "choke out" are not the same. It is a compromise. Agreed. As it is, many governments do not deserve people to fight for them. Which is why I am actually in favor of militias and territorial defense units that answer to the local community, rather than the mandatory military...
  7. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Nice or at least nice-sounding ideals will also lead to a shit situation, because again, people will start prioritizing various mental models over what is actually out there. True, you cannot abandon morality. My point is, morality has to be restrained by realism - and realism has to be...
  8. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Exactly. It is really little surprise that leftist ideologies always end in genocide: leftism is in fact founded on hate.
  9. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    For me, it is more like, if you are profiting from the country, you have a duty to defend it. That is part of why I dislike the leftists: if you argue for free healthcare but against the mandatory military service (wartime at least), then you are not only a hypocrite, but a massive idiot as well.
  10. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    We haven't made an eastward turn, we have turned south, dug our head into the ground, started digging and kept at it. Right now, we are somewhere north of Hell. But my point is that any ideal or idealistic society will lead to genocide, because ideals are, by their very nature, removed from...
  11. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    Problem with this is that as I have said, humans are social animals and live in groups. And this means rights and responsibilities, of which common defense is probably the most basic one. If you do not organize for defense - which means state because anything else is simply not viable - somebody...
  12. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    You also pay taxes to the state. Meaning you are already enslaved. Hell, by your logic, living in a society is already a form of slavery, because you don't have absolute freedom. This I actually agree with. Conscription should be the last resort - even if a country has mandatory military...
  13. Aldarion

    Military Debate: Is Conscription Moral?

    If you live in a society, you have duty to that society. This includes defending it from aggression. That being said, I am on the fence regarding conscription as such. Unlike say Territorial Defense, conscripts can be sent to offensive wars - which is typically not a defensive and popular war...
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