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I think you are failing to account for a few things, like the fact that Britain is territoriality much smaller than the USA, so is France, so are most other European countries if you only use the mtropolies rather than the colonies. Furthermore, in those years Europe saw several sizable...

And until the end of his life Palmerston said they should have gone in on the Confederate side.

Yeah, but the USA has been a single Federal jurisdiction since the Civil War, Europe has not, also most of the stuff between LA and NY is basically flat terrain. There are a lot of megalomaniac projects to interconnect Europe better so one can go from Finland to Sicily by highway, but we have...

And a bunch of medieval dudes with longboats could criss-cross all of Yurup and trade, pillage and enslave all over:

Sounds like navigable rivers are something Yurup beats you at. We at least do not have waterfalls.

Is this St. Lawrence river navigable?

Canada is Anglo-French property, though. ;) What about the other way round? Most relevant Imdustry according to what you said and what I assumed isin the great lakes area, would it be possible to get there from, say, Hudson Bay or that other bay that is to the South-East and looks like it...

And the British were imperialist bastards who liked to win back then. Their army would also be quite well seasoned after the Crimean War and a number of huge colonial adventures and the Napoleonic shenanigans. Also, is there a way to send naval assets to the great lakes? I think you have a...

Sure, gramps, sure, keep saying random stuff while not contradicting me in any real way.

My fantasies are actually based on European history and what I knew about the state of the USA back then, bub. Your problem if you are not a HA connoisseur. Back to fanboying Pukeard!

They won't need to occupy you, they can smash up the Union militarily and damage its war-making potential and help various sources of internal opposition, they will pull back after doing enough damage to get a capitulation or a peace treaty favoring the Confederacy and their own interests, then...

That was 100 years later after the US identity solidified into something. Prior to the civil war you didn't even have a single currency, greenbacks were Lincoln's invention, and state loyalty was greater than the loyalty to their state and the USA was a lot more sparsely populated and...

I find the idea of a Balkanized North America where the British and French are pulling their colonial shit interesting from an AH standpoint. The USA managed to become a large, Space Filling Empire in the Era of rampant European expansion is something of a historical aberration but at the same...

Are you gonna contribute something to the discussion, or do I have pull out the "good day sir" Wanka you introduced me to? :sneaky: In any case, it is not about them wanting to do it, it is them being forced to do it by their European overlords and masters who did that all over Africa, Asia...

That can probably be arranged. :D But I think that up to the banks of the Dnieper + Odessa is what he is ultimately gunning for. And a nice fat army of refugees for the EU/Western Europe to deal with.

Yeah, Putin is gonna get overthrown and run out of missiles any day now...! A story we have been hearing for the better part of a year. But, WolfieBoi, you believe whatever bullshit you want.

For starters the territory will be diminished in size as compated to the USA in the OTL, also, the war will be prolonged and be even more costly, since I doubt the French and British will prioritize the CSA, prop it up - yes, supply it with weapons - yes, work in its long term interest - no...

If no other European power intervenes or runs interference for the Union the Union loses, hard. I mean, Louis Napoleon III is a retard, but if the British could get him to concentrate forces into Quebec and hit from there then that will improve French chances. The British and the French can...

Dude, many of the Confederacy's supporters in England were staunch abolitionists, like Palmerston, who I mentioned. If they had gone in I am pretty sure they would have forced the Confederacy to drop slavery the way they did to Brazil.

You go look at the Crimean war, or any other conflict during the modern period, to see what European great powers are capable of. ;) The USA will not survive the Confederacy, the British and the French ganging up on it, especially if they come through Canada while the bulk of US forces are...