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  1. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Speaking of, in an actually awesome UFC fight, Money Maicone won after nearly being knocked out, only to be saved by his opponent celebrating not finishing him. Then Money goes on to win, get on the mic with Joe Rogan, and rant about the First amendment, the constitution, and how y'all gotta...
  2. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    In NH, we control the statehouse by running as Republicans. But more, the very idea is a threat. The entire ideology is anti-system, as Klaus so wisely says (lol). And the idea is spreading. Libertarian ideals permeate some of the best ways and movements that oppose him. Decentralized Crypto...
  3. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    This may be the greatest endorsement of Libertarianism ever.
  4. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Recent video from Reason, highly relevant in light of the cops behavior in Texas:
  5. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Yeah. Note I agree with nearly everything you are saying here, federalization is almost always a step forward. But there is a definite dislike of federalizing away rights that I think needs to be kept. Basically, federalism isn't a goal in and of itself, but a very useful tool IMO. Sometimes...
  6. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Basically because this here is a misconception to libertarians: Basically, all government is a necessary evil at best. I really don't care what uniform they wear when the bust down my door, I only think it's easier to reduce at a local level. So federalism to a libertarian is just a step...
  7. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    I agree with the majority of what you say, but federalism is always an iffy subject with libertarians, so best for the party not to take a stance on Roe also. Basically, there's two arguments. One goes "All decentralization is good", the other goes "No, I don't care how government is limited, I...
  8. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    So anyway, the Libertarian Party just got back to being a libertarian party from it's woke stupidity over the weekend. EDIT: I should say that this happened during the Libertarian National Convention. Big summary: The Mises Caucus just swept the seats, and is incredibly motivated. The Abortion...
  9. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Yeah, I note that the video isn't making that claim though. The video isn't saying "don't have a military" or "don't fight back" or even "don't fight wars". It's saying war sucks and there is no way to avoid it sucking, so it's never a solution, just sometimes a necessity. Personally, I'd go...
  10. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    No, we do understand things about military matters. The whole point of the video is that war, even a just war, is absolutely awful and causes otherwise normal people to do horrific things. Basically, that 'humanitarian wars' aren't, because war is always awful. The one quibble I have is with...
  11. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Got it, I'll reply to that bit here: Yes, cheap labor isn't innovation, I totally agree with that. (Also agree with your complaint of bureaucracy but that's beyond scope here). But the thing is, what your advocating for is an artificial limitation on labor to drive up prices. This is a...
  12. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    First, I swapped up H2 visas (unskilled labor) with H1-B ones (for the tech workers). So to answer your second point first: people's preference for hiring similar people does exist for both immigrant and non-immigrants, and is mostly irrelevant to me. So to answer your first points: a) the...
  13. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    The difference between it and the slave trade is that the people consented to be moved. Yes, it does put downward pressure on wages. But to a libertarian, that's part and parcel of being part of the free market. Again, there is an emphasis on individual rights here. See, a socialist sees this...
  14. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Kinda-sorta, but not enough, and also that's not the extent of the enlightenment. There were a huge variety of enlightenment thinkers, who very much disagreed with each other on a lot, so the term 'Enlightenment values' is kinda a misnomer, as it really only applies to a subset of values some...
  15. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    It isn't individualistic nonsense though. That puts it on the opposite side of classical liberalism and libertarianism. The enlightenment stuff about individual rights is totally ignored by communists. (Also, not sure you quoted the right part of my post).
  16. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    So quickly in order: Libertarians don't pretend humans can be objective, or at least that is in no way core to our beliefs. We think people are selfish and rational (as in the economic sense of responding to incentives by taking them in a way that makes sense to that person, not in the...
  17. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    No, we don't. Most libertarians are very aware people are a bunch of assholes quite happy with shoving the other down just cause they want to. And libertarians are more aware than most of people being ignorant (and don't have a problem with it, there's a whole concept called rational ignorance...
  18. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    The libertarian movement as a whole? Not really. Sure, there's probably a few, there's the weird libertarian socialist caucus who are the butt of jokes but not anywhere near power, but the LNP quite frankly isn't worth the time to actually infiltrate. If you are saying that some of our people...
  19. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    No, we don't. We don't want right or left wingers. We want libertarians, it's in the party name. We've never been subverted by commies, tbc. And the republicans have their own problems with pedos, just like everyone else does. The left just glorifies them, which is why they get all the...
  20. Abhorsen

    Libertarianism: The Official Thread Of Freedom As An Ideology.

    Yeah, this is a long story. So there is the Libertarian National Party (LNP), which is there, but basically useless, and it has been for years. As a political party, it is a failure, as it does not get people elected into office. As a political movement, it's very dubious, as it doesn't put...
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