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  1. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    No, that was believed to be the case in the late 1700s, but with the invention of the printing press, cheap labor became even more valuable. And with industrialization hitting the south, it would have become even more valuable. There would have been slaves in the mines in West Virginia for example.
  2. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    And this is why no one takes your points seriously. See this? This is also completely wrong. The entire point of liberalism was stopping/reducing control of the individual by others. Slavery is the most no duh part of this. Yes, the founders weren't perfect, but heroes don't need to be perfect...
  3. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    The SS did. So did the Khmer Rouge. There's your problem. What they believe in is of paramount importance to the morality of what they do.
  4. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    He specifically excepted the soldiers. But yes, like the Wehrmacht, they weren't innocent babes either. Many CSA soldiers were fighting for slavery, even those who didn't have slaves. This is obviously an evil motive. The officers had an even higher percentage of evil motive and more agency, and...
  5. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    Because confederate leaders did nothing good for other people, while Jefferson and Washington did do good things. As for individual confederate soldiers, I have no issue with having a memorial day for them, as I said before, but the Confederacy itself and it's leaders were evil. First, longer...
  6. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    No, there is at least one a big difference. One was facing a 'nation' of evil. Who you face affects the morality of ones actions a lot. Robespierre wasn't facing anyone evil, he replaced a revolution (that hadn't yet gone crazy) with evil. Oliver Cromwell wasn't facing evil either, he was just...
  7. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    Slavery as practiced in America is inherently immoral, at the very least because one cannot leave it and none of the slaves in America consented. You trying to draw an edge case here is very childish, very stupid, and most of all, very irrelevant, as it is quite obvious what we are talking about...
  8. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    The percentage of the population involved with abortion is much, much, smaller than those that directly controlled slaves, or were slaves. This study had abortions at about 23% of women. But that means only about 11.5% of people have had this, with people who aid in the abortion adding at most a...
  9. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    First, that wasn't a foreign country, so none of that Westphalian stuff applies. Second, you've given no reason why I should care about Westphalian sovereignty except you insisting I should. But third, there is a clear point at which it becomes moral to invade, such as when Vietnam invaded the...
  10. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    No, actually. First, the Federal government had not moved to ban slavery at the time, as Lincoln hadn't even been inaugurated when Sumter was attacked. Second, Lincoln would have pushed for some anti-slave stuff, but certainly not been able to ban it. Third, everyone has a right to force another...
  11. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    This is just wrong. The Confederate revolted because of slavery. We know this because their secession documents cite slavery as the reason. And though the independence of states is a nice thing, independence of people is paramount. So fighting to preserve slavery is inherently an immoral act...
  12. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    Here's the thing about historical figures I like honoring: even if they did do bad, they also did a lot of good. I don't need to honor just perfect people. Cause risk. Good they did mostly outshines the horrors. Also, Grant's depiction as a butcher is overblown. He just knew that his winning...
  13. Abhorsen

    Confederate history month

    Fuck confederate history month. The confederacy was fighting for slavery, and it's good they lost. There is no need to glorify them.
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