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  1. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Which one? They all produce value.
  2. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    WOOSH. The point was that your definition of capitalism was so large that it included Stalin, because he was a person who acted to enrich himself on profits (of the state in this case). Your definition of capitalism is shit. ...Children can't consent. As for people hooked on opioids as...
  3. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Exactly. Just because the party officials were pursuing personal profit doesn't make them capitalists, because they stole the money. The same applies to Madoff. I'm glad we can agree neither is a capitalist. No, its fundamentally different, because what they do has consent, unlike with Madoff...
  4. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    And yet more evidence you have no idea what capitalism means. When you put money on an investment, you have a property right to that investment being conducted according to the agreement, just like exchange money in exchange for labor entitles you to the labor done correctly as agreed upon. What...
  5. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Somebody is watching too much of Fox News' closet commie Tucker. Vulture capitalism? Thats a good thing, else when the company that was to be bought out died instead, no one would have a job. But instead, thanks to vulture capitalism, some of the employees keep their jobs. Neither Madoff nor...
  6. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    ... no, they really aren't. Just pursuing profit does not capitalism make. A king demanding taxes from his nobles pursues profit. So does Mercantilism, slave labor, etc. None of those are Capitalism. Capitalism is when private property is respected and trade is done freely.
  7. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    ... But workers have always been exploited. How do you think serfs were treated before capitalism? What about under communism? And if you are looking for environmental damage, look no further than the Aral Sea. Oh, wait, you can't see it anymore, because its gone, thanks to communism. And you...
  8. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Oh, I know. It's not widely recognized outside of schools either (they're still working on getting enough people (think hundreds of thousands) on board to make it a thing). But change starts with ourselves, and raising awareness of this can help make this a holiday that will be recognized.
  9. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Have I got something for you: May 1st as International Victims of Communism day.
  10. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Banning speech won't actually accomplish suppressing the ideology though. I mean, Modern Germany has a worse Nazi problem in a single political party (NPD) than the US does Nazi + Klukkers, despite trying to ban all mention of them. And the second we open up one hole in the 1st amendment...
  11. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    I'll have to watch then.
  12. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Huh, that's interesting. I'll have to read more about this. Do you have a link to the place where he argued this? The thing I'm arguing is that what they want isn't freedom. They want equality, which is very different. They might add the word freedom to what they do, but it's always a lie, as...
  13. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    So first, Stalin probably only thought "This gets me more power." But what I'm saying is that their claimed end was an illusion, covering more evil, whether they knew it or not. The end result, their hypothetical utopia, is evil, not just the means to get there, because it relies mass theft as...
  14. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    You see, this is what my point is addressing. It doesn't even propose freedom. It's proposed method of solution, even in manic commie dreamworld, is still evil. One of the ways this evil spreads is that people don't realize that socialism is morally wrong, not just incapable of working. Then...
  15. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    I mean, it's a comparison meant to highlight the importance of consent. Mugging is a muddy metaphor, as it is about a lot of things, but rape is inherently about consent, as that is the entire difference between a life changing, horrible event, and a fun time. I know this full well because I've...
  16. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    You can't even refute the argument, you just don't like that it's true. Socialism is economic rape is logically equivalent to rape is theft of sex. In both cases, force is used to take what isn't yours.
  17. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    First, violence in one place doesn't mean capitalism suddenly fails somewhere else, just like a black market in the USSR doesn't stop that place from being socialist. It just means that section of the economy where violence happens isn't capitalist, just like the section of the USSR economy that...
  18. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    No, it definitely has been. I'm just pointing out that non-free labor means Not-Capitalism, in much the way that strong private property rights would make a society not-Socialist. Most of modern America's runs under versions of free-market capitalism, for example, with some major exceptions...
  19. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    Nope. What you've described isn't capitalism. There's no gun, or it by definition isn't capitalism. Capitalism depends on a free market, and a market isn't free if someone works because a gun to their head. This could be any number of other systems, depending on who holds the gun. If it's the...
  20. Abhorsen

    Discussing Communism

    See, this isn't actually true that this applies to economics. First, most of microeconomics is well supported by experimental evidence. Second, macroeconomic theories are somewhat tested. Basically, when it comes to an entire economy, it quickly becomes impossible to isolate variables, but we...
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