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In a way thats the saddest thing said in this thread.

I know, and don't really agree with it. Just used it to set up a joke campaign about renaming July.

You think there isn't pressure about Genghis Khan on a regional level? Or about Ghandi and a lot of others for a host of reasons in India given the ethnic and religious divide? The point is regardless of whether one or a group considers some historical figures controversial by their standards...

True but kinda just using that as an example of why people might disagree. When it comes down to it peoples opinions of their heroes doesn't really depend much of what they did or were outside the part of their lives that makes them heroes to those who admire them. Can't bring myself to say...

Is joke, pardon the imbelishment. But seriously think people would be a lot more dumbfounded if there was a movement to rename July to Casey or something than they would about petitions to rename a couple forts or universities they have nothing to do with. Might be a good way to draw some...

To be fair renaming July would be a lot harder to make people swallow that renaming a fort in the middle of nowhere.

The first part applies to a lot of people and the second is a slippery scale. Technically speaking with some of the 'the Whotes are right about Africa' comments Gandhi had during his younger angst years you could set a case for demanding India stop every other thing after him. Kinda a lot of...

Then whats the point?

Huh? I mean kinda agree with you on some of the rest but huh?

They rot in hell so we can debate the existence of heaven huh? Kidding 😅 Seriously though, yeah nothing wrong with being proud of your people and angry over their suffering. Just try and keep it in context and not let it colour (a pun!) your opinion of people today.

Wouldn't really know the difference in this topic. 😅 Kinda like abortion when it comes to racial blame and colonization arguments the left right thing is pretty wonky in India. Remember dozen of parties. Each has their own spin on everything.

Like I get @Captain X s point. Atrocities happened, people suffered and others got away with it. But that goes for most of history. Its just my biased opinion that after a point that being the lifetimes of those involved, people should just if not let it go aleast not lump each other in...

Genghis Khan murdered half the human race while living in a yurt but didn't have no Machiculations! Also at a certain point it just becomes sad when the Gaelic complain Anglo's are racist for calling themselves British.

Edited my post before I saw yours. So see there I guess. But really not sure why the discussion went like this. But given the thread title probabaly as expected. Personally the whole 'did Africans have castles' people sound like 'India thought up nukes in 3000 BC because Brahmastra'. Becaue who...

Not agreeing or disagreeing with him but technically nothing racist with that statement atleast I can see. Conquest and immigration are two separate things. Well both of you were using subtext and all but the racism remarks are getting a bit tired even for this thread. Both ways.

Ah yes, but the thing is thats a selective thing. In that culturally dark skin is taken for people who spend more time in the field and lighter skin for people affluent enough to not work in the hot sun so to speak. Give it a couple thousand years and you can guess a bit of the results. I mean...

And Pakistan is probably a good indicator or reference for what would have happened if Malcolm X got his way. Woop woop woop! (Zoidberg reference, not sure about spelling)

Heh, in as much as people who spend most of their time indoors turn out paler. There is something to the North South thing in that the North is cooler and people tend to be white there because of that including ethnically. Mixed with haveing more Mughal blood but honestly? Not that strong a...

Is it wrong that I get this joke? Eugh. Also just to add my irrelevant two cents for the sake of it I see no problem with people taking pride in their heritage. As long as they take pride in the appropriate stages, namely their own accomplishments, their family's, their forefathers, their...