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    What if Poland and Lithuania never unified? No Union of Krewo, 1385- no Union, ever

    1.We still had war with Teutonic order,even with Habsburg as consort. 2.Why not some Piast from Silesia,then?
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    What if Poland and Lithuania never unified? No Union of Krewo, 1385- no Union, ever

    Indeed.Here they would be Kiev russians allied with Greater Nowogrod,and fighting Moscov. P.S Without union,Poland,after defeating with Lithuania Teutonic order,would help Hungary fight Ottomans. We woud have probably polish-hungarian union instead. Weaker Ottomans ,stronger Poland,free Hungary...
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    What if Poland and Lithuania never unified? No Union of Krewo, 1385- no Union, ever

    Well,they probably still name themselves as lithuanians/even after abadonning language,customs and religion/ ,but yes.
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    What if Poland and Lithuania never unified? No Union of Krewo, 1385- no Union, ever

    You have a point.HRE do not helped them in OTL,so they do not help them in this TL,too. What about future Lithuania+ Novogrod vs Moscov war? who would win?
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    What if Poland and Lithuania never unified? No Union of Krewo, 1385- no Union, ever

    1.Indeed.They would become orthodox,and,in time,russian - but not moscovites,only real Kiev russians. They would fought Moscov with Nowogrod and maybe Twer as allies - and survive as oligarchy. 2.Yes,Lithuanians had nothing to built on.They could either become poles,or Kiev russians...
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