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  1. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    There's some indications he always was, and his 1940-1942 epoch was simply realpolitik. Alternatively, he was just extremely bitter with how the UK-France-Spain-Italy acted in the course of the war.
  2. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    It's hard to say, Hitler in 1940-1942 was more than happy to cater to Vichy, Italian, etc colonial desires but later on was making very strong Anti-Colonial pronouncements and giving thought to views that suggest he could go either way. Ironically, I think it depends on which way the...
  3. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    Yeah that's what I was getting at, still in but keeping an arms distance to establish its own independence. Such a bloc would be more comparable to NATO than the Warsaw Pact, as France, Italy and Spain have the means of asserting themselves in a way Slovakia, Hungary, etc could not.
  4. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    Most of those wildly expansionist plans came into consideration post 1942, although the orange area was under contention until 1941, then quietly dropped from what I understand. German planning was not really unified in this respect, which makes it difficult to deduce exactly what was most...
  5. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    I'd imagine Vichy France would end up something like Fascist Italy in the long run, while being like the RSI in the short run. They'd have to give up Alsace-Lorraine, which was acceptable to domestic audiences in 1940-1941 by most accounts given how decisive the defeat was, but they could be...
  6. History Learner

    The long-term fate of Vichy France in a Nazi victory/draw in WWII TL?

    Depends on how the Germans win and when they do so.
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