Fallout Perpetual Debate of Bethesda Versus Interplay/Obsidian Fallout World Design

Carrot of Truth said:

Obviously not jackass but the state of the wooden houses in FO4 are definitely in good enough shape to be torn down and recycled.

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How do you know they're definitely in good enough shape that any random joe could properly recycle it and turn into an aesthetically pleasing house?

Heck how do you even know there's enough wastelanders with the knowledge and training to recycle it into something that doesn't look like ass?

Scooby Doo said:

How do you they're definitely in good enough shape that any random joe could properly recycle it and turn into an aesthetically pleasing house?

Heck how do you even know there's enough wastelanders with the knowledge and training to recycle it into something that doesn't look like ass?

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It doesn't take a genius to read a tape measure and build something structurally sound. I mean all the things I described and pointed out could believably be done in post war America. The rickety shack aesthetic is ugly and kind of lame IMO, Medieval peasants had better and more structurally sound looking homes for Christ sake.

mrttao said:

No, according to me roofs and walls have HOLES in them

also, I asked for video of you walking through houses and looking at the walls and roof. not zoomed all the way out aerial view where you can not see jack shit.

yet even in the aerial view you posted you can make out holes in the roofs.
like in this one:

just look around, you can clearly see holes

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Have you seen the poor insulation in both Fallout 3 and 4? Like this is the type of shit to kill you irl. Not a place for human beings. The Fallout 3 player home literally has holes in the corner of the walls.

This is just one of several images I've taken. The stuff in Fallout 4 is worse IMO because of having far more terrible winters than Washington.

Carrot of Truth said:

It doesn't take a genius to read a tape measure and build something structurally sound. I mean all the things I described and pointed out could believably be done in post war America. The rickety shack aesthetic is ugly and kind of lame IMO, Medieval peasants had better and more structurally sound looking homes for Christ sake.

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Medieval Peasants still had people to train (Friends/Family) them and abundant resources.

A lot of Wastelanders aren't trained carpenters they make do with what they can, they also can't go to a Walmart and buy supplies.

You gotta be real ignorant of the setting or greatly overrated the capabilities of the average joe. All it takes is a few hours to look at survivor shows and see how the average person isn't building a wonderful fucking cabins.

Scooby Doo said:

Medieval Peasants still had people to train (Friends/Family) them and abundant resources.

A lot of Wastelanders aren't trained carpenters they make do with what they can, they also can't go to a Walmart and buy supplies.

You gotta be real ignorant of the setting or greatly overrated the capabilities of the average joe. All it takes is a few hours to look at survivor shows and see how the average person isn't building a wonderful fucking cabins.

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The average Joe who has no skills wouldn't survive.

Scooby Doo said:

Medieval Peasants still had people to train (Friends/Family) them and abundant resources.

A lot of Wastelanders aren't trained carpenters they make do with what they can, they also can't go to a Walmart and buy supplies.

You gotta be real ignorant of the setting or greatly overrated the capabilities of the average joe. All it takes is a few hours to look at survivor shows and see how the average person isn't building a wonderful fucking cabins.

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Technically speaking having dozens or hundreds of people in a single location... trades would eventually pop up. And the environment we see is incredibly unrealistic. How many centuries before someone picks up a Pre-War book on how to properly work wood/steel or even mimic the most basic functions of a house? They have plenty of solid examples to work from considering there is plenty of Pre-War houses still standing.

Megaton has the ability to make steel houses, work metal and have piping. Yet plugging holes is impossible? Get real man.

The average Joe built this world. Not super geniuses or anything. FNV had plenty of examples of houses that didn't look like rubbish while still feeling apocalyptic. Goodsprings for example.

Carrot of Truth said:

The average Joe who has no skills wouldn't survive.

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The average joe who has no skills in carpentry can survive without carpentry.

Warmaster said:

Technically speaking having dozens or hundreds of people in a single location... trades would eventually pop up.

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Yes only relevant trades with immediate benefits

Warmaster said:

And the environment we see is incredibly unrealistic.

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It is realistic in the setting it takes place in, there isn't just humans to worry about.

Warmaster said:

How many centuries before someone picks up a Pre-War book

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You're assuming the majority of the population care to read Pre-War books when it's fact only those who aren't already struggling to survive have the time for it.

Warmaster said:

on how to properly work wood/steel or even mimic the most basic functions of a house? They have plenty of solid examples to work from considering there is plenty of Pre-War houses still standing.

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That's literally what they've done...now because it's not a 5 star mansion is another matter.

Warmaster said:

Megaton has the ability to make steel houses, work metal and have piping. Yet plugging holes is impossible? Get real man.

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Megaton also uses their scrap to maintain their piping and pays the Wanderer for more scrap, don't be a jackass because you zone out the entirety of Fallout 3

Warmaster said:

The average Joe built this world. Not super geniuses or anything. FNV had plenty of examples of houses that didn't look like rubbish while still feeling apocalyptic. Goodsprings for example.

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The average world built this world during periods of peace and more abundant resources than Fallout. Why are you guys so dense to understand a society can't recover as quick when there isn't the knowledge, resources and respite?

Every example of "Oh well X can do this they have 200 years!" Whilst ignoring the survivors of the Fallout setting don't have the luxuries to rebuild in a timely manner.


Goodsprings is able to rebuild a semblance of a town (Even though it still looks like shit) because

A) Their territory isn't irradiated hell hole thanks to Mister House conveniently shooting down the nukes
B) They're in a peaceful area of the Mojave where the greatest threat they faced were a handful of convicts.
C) They actually have exceptionally (For a small town) well trained people that lived there.

None of that is applicable to the East Coast and that's why their shit is all rushed up.

Scooby Doo said:

No

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Then you cannot have a serious take on the Cyberpunk game, if you never actually played the damned thing at launch to get context.

ThatZenoGuy said:

Then you cannot have a serious take on the Cyberpunk game, if you never actually played the damned thing at launch to get context.

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You can't have a serious take on Bethesda games if you haven't played Fallout 76, if you never played the dammed thing in it's current state to get context.

Scooby Doo said:

You can't have a serious take on Bethesda games if you haven't played Fallout 76, if you never played the dammed thing in it's current state to get context.

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That reasoning doesn't work because in context of 'play the original format first' refers to FO3, not 76.
Seeing as I've beaten 3 and 4 like a dozen times each, I think I am well qualified to criticize Bethesda Fallouts.

ThatZenoGuy said:

That reasoning doesn't work because in context of 'play the original format first' refers to FO3, not 76.
Seeing as I've beaten 3 and 4 like a dozen times each, I think I am well qualified to criticize Bethesda Fallouts.

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Fallout 3 and 76 isn't the same game graphically, narratively or mechanically. So objectively false.

Try again

Scooby Doo said:

Fallout 3 and 76 isn't the same game graphically, narratively or mechanically. So objectively false.

Try again

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Fallout 76 is dogshit, It's literally Fallout 4 online with no modding

Carrot of Truth said:

Fallout 76 is dogshit, It's literally Fallout 4 online with no modding

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When's the last time you actually played it?
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Scooby Doo said:

When's the last time you actually played it?
🙄

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Do you get paid to shill for Bethesda's dogshit?

Scooby Doo said:

Fallout 3 and 76 isn't the same game graphically, narratively or mechanically. So objectively false.

Try again

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You're still not following the line of logic being used.
>Cyberpunk got fixed!
>Did you play Cyberpunk when it released so you know if it actually WAS fixed?
>No?
>Then you don't know it was fixed

If 3 and 4 has already established the baseline of at-best mediocrity of Bethesda Fallouts, why the hell would I purchase 76!? And besides we all know 76 was a complete disaster at launch, a glorified scam really.

The ironic thing is that by playing 3-4, I know how absolute crap 76 is compared to even the earlier Bethesda titles, I want some roleplaying in my RPG ya know! Not a fucking card system.

Carrot of Truth said:

Do you get paid to shill for Bethesda's dogshit?

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Do you get paid to bitch and moan whenever Bethesda breaths or is payment only when you bitch about petty easily proven wrong stuff?

ThatZenoGuy said:

You're still not following the line of logic being used.
>Cyberpunk got fixed!
>Did you play Cyberpunk when it released so you know if it actually WAS fixed?
>No?
>Then you don't know it was fixed

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But then you can't judge Fallout 76 because you never played it either and it's also mechanically and narratively different than 4.

ThatZenoGuy said:

If 3 and 4 has already established the baseline of at-best mediocrity of Bethesda Fallouts, why the hell would I purchase 76!? And besides we all know 76 was a complete disaster at launch, a glorified scam really.

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Neither Fallout 4 or 3 was mediocre unless you're smoking crack. New Vegas was better than Fallout 3 sure but story alone doesn't let it beat Fallout 4.

ThatZenoGuy said:

The ironic thing is that by playing 3-4, I know how absolute crap 76 is compared to even the earlier Bethesda titles, I want some roleplaying in my RPG ya know! Not a fucking card system.

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Then you haven't played 76 and can't judge it 🤷

Scooby Doo said:

But then you can't judge Fallout 76 because you never played it either and it's also mechanically and narratively different than 4.

Neither Fallout 4 or 3 was mediocre unless you're smoking crack. New Vegas was better than Fallout 3 sure but story alone doesn't let it beat Fallout 4.

Then you haven't played 76 and can't judge it 🤷

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I haven't eaten shit either, but given that I have eaten food beforehand I think I can get some relativity on the matter. The issue you dont' seem to be getting is that if I never played FO3-4, THEN you could say I cannot talk about 76. And you'd be right.

But I've played 3 and 4, so I can have a say in 76.

You haven't even played Cyberpunk launch release, so you don't actually know what WAS fixed, except for scrounging through patchnotes which doesn't give a full picture.

And yeah, 3 and 4 were mediocre, the plots were really 'meh', and balance issues out the ass. 3 is better than 4 but not to a huge degree.

Btw I actually do have critiques about Bethesda but like actual real ones not petty crying over holes in a metal piece of slab 😒

ThatZenoGuy said:

I haven't eaten shit either, but given that I have eaten food beforehand I think I can get some relativity on the matter. The issue you dont' seem to be getting is that if I never played FO3-4, THEN you could say I cannot talk about 76. And you'd be right.

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Well geez then I guess by your logic because I played the table top game so it makes me qualified because it's the original source material so I didn't need to actually play the video game 🤷

ThatZenoGuy said:

But I've played 3 and 4, so I can have a say in 76.

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Not the same game mechanically, various different mechanics and narrative. Try again 🤷

ThatZenoGuy said:

You haven't even played Cyberpunk launch release, so you don't actually know what WAS fixed, except for scrounging through patchnotes which doesn't give a full picture

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Did you play Fallout 76 on release?

ThatZenoGuy said:

And yeah, 3 and 4 were mediocre, the plots were really 'meh', and balance issues out the ass. 3 is better than 4 but not to a huge degree.

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That's literally just like your personal opinion man, I'm not taking you serious on it being better when you couldn't explain exactly why NV crafting is better than Fallout 4's

It's the usual unsubstantiated incoherent bs

Scooby Doo said:

Then you haven't played 76 and can't judge it 🤷

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I've played 76. I remember launch very clearly. Bethesda was getting flamed online for scamming fans(nylon bags lmao), making a terrible game and applying no effort.

It was all fetch quests. I spent 100 hours just messing around in a game with no NPCs and a bunch of fetch quests. The next updates added NPCs but you can't fix the past. Especially when you add P2W mechanics.

Bethesda isn't a friend. They are a corporation. They want money. I don't hate them for it. I just don't see a reason to defend them when they obviously have issues.

Scooby Doo said:

Btw I actually do have critiques about Bethesda but like actual real ones not petty crying over holes in a metal piece of slab 😒

Well geez then I guess by your logic because I played the table top game so it makes me qualified because it's the original source material so I didn't need to actually play the video game 🤷

Not the same game mechanically, various different mechanics and narrative. Try again 🤷



Did you play Fallout 76 on release?


That's literally just like your personal opinion man, I'm not taking you serious on it being better when you couldn't explain exactly why NV crafting is better than Fallout 4's

It's the usual unsubstantiated incoherent bs

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Lmao, FO didn't launch a tabletop first, it was a game firstmost. You're being dishonest again so I'm going to just push aside whatever nonsense you've written. If you want a serious discussion, act serious please.