More evidence that women want to have their cake and to eat it too. Also, media pushing for men to be cucked

Senor Hortler said:
You want to know what a liberalist future holds? It's a transexual mullato mutt twerking on the rubble of civilisation.
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Someone's not a fan of Loving v Virginia.
Senor Hortler said:
Strength and unity builds and maintains greatness, individualistic hedonism destroys it.
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That's economically stupid. Individualism is how the economy grows, by individuals having bright ideas, and recruiting other individuals to make those ideas reality. This strength thru unity shit is hilariously wrong. Unity means no competition, which means stagnation. It is through competition and individual effort that we improve as a nation.

And I hate to break it to you, but anti-gay conservatives are dying out. I'd bet about 20 years til the Mormons have a 'revelation' that being gay isn't bad, and the other christian organizations already quit giving a shit. Which is great. The thing is, us queers won not just our rights, but we won the conversation in the conservative movement. Trump was the cherry on top of all of this when he proclaimed it settled law.

And the result of this is that America is becoming more, not less, united. Gays are sinking into the landscape, living normal productive lives. So by your own definition, it's stronger now.
Lord Invictus said:
That's exactly what they want though.

Anyway-I have to respect your hard moral stance here. Whatever else, you are a man of conviction and I respect that.

And I think you'll find we agree, more often than not.
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Taking a firm stance on something stupid isn't something I'd respect, any more than I'd respect someone who is firmly a socialist.
 
Abhorsen said:
Someone's not a fan of Loving v Virginia.

That's economically stupid. Individualism is how the economy grows, by individuals having bright ideas, and recruiting other individuals to make those ideas reality. This strength thru unity shit is hilariously wrong. Unity means no competition, which means stagnation. It is through competition and individual effort that we improve as a nation.

And I hate to break it to you, but anti-gay conservatives are dying out. I'd bet about 20 years til the Mormons have a 'revelation' that being gay isn't bad, and the other christian organizations already quit giving a shit. Which is great. The thing is, us queers won not just our rights, but we won the conversation in the conservative movement. Trump was the cherry on top of all of this when he proclaimed it settled law.

And the result of this is that America is becoming more, not less, united. Gays are sinking into the landscape, living normal productive lives. So by your own definition, it's stronger now.

Taking a firm stance on something stupid isn't something I'd respect, any more than I'd respect someone who is firmly a socialist.
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I mean, I still condemn and will never condone your lifestyle. Even unto death. No matter how accepted homosexuality becomes.

But that is my personal conscience, not politics.
 
Abhorsen said:
And I hate to break it to you, but anti-gay conservatives are dying out. I'd bet about 20 years til the Mormons have a 'revelation' that being gay isn't bad, and the other christian organizations already quit giving a shit. Which is great. The thing is, us queers won not just our rights, but we won the conversation in the conservative movement. Trump was the cherry on top of all of this when he proclaimed it settled law.
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Amen Brother, only thing I dislike about LGBT honestly is the butch lesbian look being put into fiction or altering existing fictional characters for anything close to that look.....I prefer my lesbians hot and cute

This is a time when paradigms are dying and the Left/Right divide is being muddied

Economically Minded Liberals are the guys who could strike a balance between welfare and NOT wanting huge numbers of migrants who will enforce Sharia law to come
 
Lord Invictus said:
I mean, I still condemn and will never condone your lifestyle. Even unto death. No matter how accepted homosexuality becomes.

But that is my personal conscience, not politics.
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And I'm fine with that: your mind, your religion, your choice. I'm not going to respect you for your belief that I'm wrong. What I do respect is that you allow me to make my personal choices and live my life without interference, just like I let you live yours.

But if we start respecting people of conviction for their conviction, that doesn't end well. For starters, that would mean respecting a number of historical monsters.
 
Man, you guys prove we’re NOT an “echochamber” as our resident Far Lefties try to accuse us of and fail miserably

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The good thing is, we can actually acknowledge each other’s points instead of saying that the other’s points are way different and evil
 
Lord Invictus said:
That's exactly what they want though.

Anyway-I have to respect your hard moral stance here. Whatever else, you are a man of conviction and I respect that.

And I think you'll find we agree, more often than not.
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Libertarians are essentially liberals by inaction. If you refuse to use the state to enforce you own ideals and will then you leave others to enforce theirs. Ceding ground on any level is still ceding ground. Having a libertarian or 'conservative' merely slows or halts the immediate influx it does nothing to reverse it.

My issue is that modern 'conservatism' assumes that nothing has changed. The left has pushed for and pushed through their ideals time and time again and all the modern right does is shrug and adjust to cater to hat, lagging behind ever so slightly. The left wants open borders, the right wants 'legal migration' the result is the same influx of people voting exclusively left. The left pushes for open acceptance of degeneracy and the right shrugs and says 'why not gay marriage' as though that does anything more than drag marriage through the muck.


The left pushes, the right cedes and repackages yesterdays leftism as todays right. When do we stop ceding ground? Fucking piccadily?

Zachowon said:
Not to open of course, we have to draw the line, but with how strong he is being makes it so the left will always have the advantage.

So gatekeeping those that do not agree with the left but do not conform to the very narrow minded attitude you have Is how the right loses. That is why the left has over taken the media, this is why the left have the power they do, because people like you. The saying "if you are gay you cant be on the right" is from people like you and the left then goes "see they hate you! Come to us!" That is why how they got where they are today.

Is someone a degenerate if they are gay but only ever sleep with one man and that be thier husband? Are they a degenerate of they are kinky with thier wife? You are literally making a strong moral ground to be this high ground that only people with certain stances can stand on.

And you know what the left do? Turn that against you. Why do you think they have all these things talking about how racist and sexist the right is? Why do you think they can point to certain people and say it to let it be known? Because of gatekeepers like you.

You want to know what your gatekeeping will cause? The death of the conservative. Your gatekeeping, will damage the foundation of freedom in this god damn amazing country.

You are misjudged on what is wrong or right if you think that strong moral means demeaning those that agree and making the other side have a stronger stance.

You can still have the Morale high ground without having to be a gatekeeper.

I agree on some of his thoughts as well, but I heavily disagree with the way he wants to go about it.

Invictus you are very outspoken about being a christian conservative, and yet are willing to agree to disagree and dont gatekeep when you know you can accept something, does not mean you have to like it or agree with everything about it, but you can accept something about thier life if they are willing to beilive in the foundation you do, or at least the major parts of it.
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I am sorry but no. You cannot be a gay conservative, or a tranny conservative, or a slut conservative. The left will attack us regardless, they want us and our nations dead and buried. Saying 'if they believe in the foundation it's okay' is absurd because the foundation is morality, it is traditionalism. This is not something I well ever move on; it is not okay to be gay. It is sexual deviancy and passing the buck by claiming 'oh people can do what they want in the privacy of their home' is moral cowardice because the result has been them coming out and doing it in the streets.

Changing what the word conservatism means does not change what it is. It simply means you have compromised and lost, allowing in their ideas and practices under your own banner. Being conservative is not an economic position alone, it is a moral one.
 
Senor Hortler said:
Libertarians are essentially liberals by inaction. If you refuse to use the state to enforce you own ideals and will then you leave others to enforce theirs. Ceding ground on any level is still ceding ground. Having a libertarian or 'conservative' merely slows or halts the immediate influx it does nothing to reverse it.

My issue is that modern 'conservatism' assumes that nothing has changed. The left has pushed for and pushed through their ideals time and time again and all the modern right does is shrug and adjust to cater to hat, lagging behind ever so slightly. The left wants open borders, the right wants 'legal migration' the result is the same influx of people voting exclusively left. The left pushes for open acceptance of degeneracy and the right shrugs and says 'why not gay marriage' as though that does anything more than drag marriage through the muck.


The left pushes, the right cedes and repackages yesterdays leftism as todays right. When do we stop ceding ground? Fucking piccadily?


I am sorry but no. You cannot be a gay conservative, or a tranny conservative, or a slut conservative. The left will attack us regardless, they want us and our nations dead and buried. Saying 'if they believe in the foundation it's okay' is absurd because the foundation is morality, it is traditionalism. This is not something I well ever move on; it is not okay to be gay. It is sexual deviancy and passing the buck by claiming 'oh people can do what they want in the privacy of their home' is moral cowardice because the result has been them coming out and doing it in the streets.

Changing what the word conservatism means does not change what it is. It simply means you have compromised and lost, allowing in their ideas and practices under your own banner. Being conservative is not an economic position alone, it is a moral one.
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So someone who has always been a conservative even before they were gay. Has only ever been in one gay relationship and waited till sex cant be one? Neither could someone who has a legit mental illness and the solution to it would change thier gender?
So only CIS males or CIS females who are monogamous, only had sex when they were married, and are strict and do not care about anything other then thier hard conservative ideals.
Do you have to only he Christian as well? Because if you dont have to be but have to wait till marriage to have sex you kicked out even more of the conservative base, because I know plenty of atheist conservatives, who have had sex with girl friends. But si ce they are sluts they are not conservative in your eyes.

You are literally wanting the conservatives to be the smallest party and grow smaller every year.

You can still have strong morals and the like, but you are one if the people the left claims the right is all like.

Also, legal immigration is perfectly fine, because unless you are 100 percent Native, your family was once an immigrant as well. At that point you are basically trying to make us the far right the left claims we are
 
Senor Hortler said:
I am sorry but no. You cannot be a gay conservative, or a tranny conservative, or a slut conservative.
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Man, some people just don't want to win, do they. Hey 5% of the voting population, how about you always vote against us. In addition, because you occur randomly in families of any political persuasion, if you family loves you, we also don't want their vote. We want to be the party of hateful families.

Wow. What a winning strategy. The next Karl Rove, you heard it here first. And last.
Zachowon said:
Also, legal immigration is perfectly fine, because unless you are 100 percent Native, your family was once an immigrant as well. At that point you are basically trying to make us the far right the left claims we are
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He is that far right though. People like him are what make me fear the right, but there are many more lefties to fear as well.
 
Abhorsen said:
Man, some people just don't want to win, do they. Hey 5% of the voting population, how about you always vote against us. In addition, because you occur randomly in families of any political persuasion, if you family loves you, we also don't want their vote. We want to be the party of hateful families.

Wow. What a winning strategy. The next Karl Rove, you heard it here first. And last.

He is that far right though. People like him are what make me fear the right, but there are many more lefties to fear as well.
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And he then loses to the left and complains when the things he fought for are pushed further then any non far right conservative would push.
 
Zachowon said:
And he then loses to the left and complains when the things he fought for are pushed further then any non far right conservative would push.
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Basically.

Going back to the original topic: The important thing is consent. Make no mistake, for all their talk lefties hate consent, because with consent comes personal responsibility, as you are ultimately responsible for what you consent to.
 
Abhorsen said:
Basically.

Going back to the original topic: The important thing is consent. Make no mistake, for all their talk lefties hate consent, because with consent comes personal responsibility, as you are ultimately responsible for what you consent to.
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Is it illegal to require videos and contracts to affirm that yes, you have consent to talk with me for awhile and I REALLY didn’t do anything sexual?
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Is it illegal to require videos and contracts to affirm that yes, you have consent to talk with me for awhile and I REALLY didn’t do anything sexual?
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You are going to have to elaborate on this. Like, I really don't have any idea what you are asking or what it has to do with my post.
 
Zachowon said:
And he then loses to the left and complains when the things he fought for are pushed further then any non far right conservative would push.
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What value is there in conservatism at this point? What is left to conserve?

Gay marriage is now settled law, abortion is coming closer and closer to being on demand, open borders is now within reach for the leftists, gun rights across the country are under constant unrelenting siege, and now people are openly talking about giving healthcare to illegals.

Conservatism, over the last fifty years, has lost every major battle it has sought to fight.

Because it refuses to take a firm stance, dig in its heels, and say no to compromise upon moral grounds. It has bartered away, traded, and surrendered moral stance after moral stance, and now the leftism of yesteryear is being considered the conservatism of today.

Eventually there comes a point where no more compromise can be made. You either fight to the last breath or bend over and surrender.
 
Abhorsen said:
You are going to have to elaborate on this. Like, I really don't have any idea what you are asking or what it has to do with my post.
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Something along the lines of, a guy is paranoid AF that even if he doesn't KISS a girl, she would accuse him of sexual harrassment

To avoid accusations, he would make as many records as possible of their interactions to disprove any accusations

Will sign contracts even under multiple witnesses just in-case

Failing both? Leave and never talk to the lady that may try to ruin them somehow
 
StormEagle said:
What value is there in conservatism at this point? What is left to conserve?

Gay marriage is now settled law, abortion is coming closer and closer to being on demand, open borders is now within reach for the leftists, gun rights across the country are under constant unrelenting siege, and now people are openly talking about giving healthcare to illegals.

Conservatism, over the last fifty years, has lost every major battle it has sought to fight.

Because it refuses to take a firm stance, dig in its heels, and say no to compromise upon moral grounds. It has bartered away, traded, and surrendered moral stance after moral stance, and now the leftism of yesteryear is being considered the conservatism of today.

Eventually there comes a point where no more compromise can be made. You either fight to the last breath or bend over and surrender.
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You are right but the stance one should take should not be one that is to far from happening. You also need to look at the current system of what is going in.
The US has closed borders and immigration.
Gay marriage was going to happen eventually, and that won us some people on our side.
You are talking about things the left tis pushing, yet is far from happening. The conservatives took a heavy stance, and have held it these past four years. Few things ceded and those rhat did were for the better.
The left is currently tearing themselves apart, and because of that the right is taking this time to push against the things the left wants. Immigrants are being pushed out, few places are pushing for stricter gun laws that will be overturned, people are still fighting thier states. More people are seeing the issues with the leftist ideals. The media has pushed itself to far. The current democratic presidential candidate is losing his mind.

We have been pushed till we stood firm, and now we are pushing back.
Things that once upon were horrible for the right to think of they let happen as it won them more support! Minorities, immigrants and the like are seeing how the left well..left them out to die. The right is telling the truth and offering those the left threw out support.
We are still not giving in but at least are telling the truth instead of lying.
 
StormEagle said:
What value is there in conservatism at this point? What is left to conserve?

Gay marriage is now settled law, abortion is coming closer and closer to being on demand, open borders is now within reach for the leftists, gun rights across the country are under constant unrelenting siege, and now people are openly talking about giving healthcare to illegals.

Conservatism, over the last fifty years, has lost every major battle it has sought to fight.

Because it refuses to take a firm stance, dig in its heels, and say no to compromise upon moral grounds. It has bartered away, traded, and surrendered moral stance after moral stance, and now the leftism of yesteryear is being considered the conservatism of today.

Eventually there comes a point where no more compromise can be made. You either fight to the last breath or bend over and surrender.
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No, it's winning the important ones. The prioritization of the nuclear family is slowly coming back. Gays can finally have babies. Teenage pregnancies are down, as are being an unwed mother. The other major one is abortion, and progress has definitely been made on that, as abortions are decreasing, not just in relative numbers, but in absolute numbers.

The way I'd put it is that conservatives are winning the fundamental culture battles (what the family will look like, and can you kill babies), and liberals are, for all their effort, just adding a few groups to participate in that culture, which will just make those cultures stronger after all is said and done.
CarlManvers2019 said:
Something along the lines of, a guy is paranoid AF that even if he doesn't KISS a girl, she would accuse him of sexual harrassment

To avoid accusations, he would make as many records as possible of their interactions to disprove any accusations

Will sign contracts even under multiple witnesses just in-case

Failing both? Leave and never talk to the lady that may try to ruin them somehow
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These aren't going to necessarily work. Theoretically, legally speaking, you can consent to a lot of things, but if you start saying "No", the guy has to stop. In addition, signing drunk means nothing. But as a practical legal matter, it's great evidence if the jury gets to see it.
 
Abhorsen said:
These aren't going to necessarily work. Theoretically, legally speaking, you can consent to a lot of things, but if you start saying "No", the guy has to stop. In addition, signing drunk means nothing. But as a practical legal matter, it's great evidence if the jury gets to see it.
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What about, just to have a conversation and both leave when either doesn't want to talk?
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
What about, just to have a conversation and both leave when either doesn't want to talk?
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Sure, but that still doesn't defend against rape allegations. I mean, if someone was the next coming of Harvey Weinstein, They'd make women sign these then rape them anyway.
 
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