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ATP said:
1.Caananities who cosplayed as jews,just like they later cosplayed for pagans,christians and now muslims.
Palestinians really live there from bronze age.
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Random propaganda theories. Palestinians are a very modern invention younger than some living people, it was random local tribes that no longer exist because they got conquered and destroyed, enslaved or assimilated by Romans, Arabs or Turks.
ATP said:
2.It is shaped by turkish genocide of armenians.Those in Artsath manage to defend themselves and survive,those between them and armenia were genocided.

And now,turks would finish their dirty work,with Izrael support.When that happen,i hope that nobody in Izrael would even dare talk about Holocaust.
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It was effectively more or less a vassal of local Muslim powers for most of the time since Islam went on its conquest spree, which is the reason for the problem of the whole neighborhood there being a gordian knot of ethnic mixes, grievances and claims that may well be compared to Balkans.
 
Marduk said:
Random propaganda theories. Palestinians are a very modern invention younger than some living people, it was random local tribes that no longer exist because they got conquered and destroyed, enslaved or assimilated by Romans, Arabs or Turks.

It was effectively more or less a vassal of local Muslim powers for most of the time since Islam went on its conquest spree, which is the reason for the problem of the whole neighborhood there being a gordian knot of ethnic mixes, grievances and claims that may well be compared to Balkans.
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1.Palestinians as nation - they are made in 20th century,like lithuanians,belarussians and ukrainians.
But palestinians as people - they are there from bronze age,only changed religion and culture few times.

2.Entire Armenia was once muslim vassal state,just like Georgia,till they become enslaved by Russians.To be honest - if i were armenian and face turks,i would welcome russians as liberators.
Becouse,in that particular case,they were liberators,or at least lesser evil
 
Marduk said:
Mythical argument, there is no evidence for this, other than you being bad at understanding genetic studies that you so proudly like to mention (genetically ME populations are interbred like fuck anyway). Nation? Again, no one can still point out what makes them a separate people from Arabs, which is the core of the problem. It's just a tactical distraction from the fact that this is a territorial conflict between Jews and Arabs, making it a conflict between Jews and supposed Palestinians with Arabs standing aside as a supposed third party.

Classic story, just like their favorite one, commies vs nazis in WW2.

Back to the topic, seems like the humanitarian crisis is being solved, at the price of Armenians compromising about the routes.
www.dw.com

Azerbaijan lets aid into majority-Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh – DW – 09/12/2023

Separatist authorities in Azerbaijan's Armenian-populated breakaway Nagorno-Karabakh region say supplies have arrived via Azerbaijan-controlled territory. Azerbaijan had closed a route linking the territory with Armenia.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
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1.And Russians are just reclaiming their territory.Palestinians once was not nation,but so what? ukrainians was not nation 100 years ago,too
2. Yes,germans thanks to their stupidity let soviet win.
 
Vyor said:
That would imply hive cities in 40k are "concentration camps"
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1. they are.

2. 40k hive cities are not "smart". remember that AI is abomination to them. Their computers are powered by human brains in a jar and are very primitive. and hive cities are in extreme disrepair and lacking in the big brother aspect. (which is why they are rife with gangs, gene stealers, etc)
 
mrttao said:
1. they are.
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A concentration camp is a prison camp that you can't leave because the state says you can't leave.

A hive city doesn't fulfil any of those requirements.

mrttao said:
2. 40k hive cities are not "smart". remember that AI is abomination to them. Their computers are powered by human brains in a jar and are very primitive. and hive cities are in extreme disrepair and lacking in the big brother aspect. (which is why they are rife with gangs, gene stealers, etc)
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Uhhh... their computers are more intelligent than ours dude. By miles. In the absolute worst case, they're only "on par" with every single AI we have on earth. At the same time. As in dall e+ChatGPT+Sophia+Wattson. All at once.
 
Vyor said:
A concentration camp is a prison camp that you can't leave because the state says you can't leave.

A hive city doesn't fulfil any of those requirements.



Uhhh... their computers are more intelligent than ours dude. By miles. In the absolute worst case, they're only "on par" with every single AI we have on earth. At the same time. As in dall e+ChatGPT+Sophia+Wattson. All at once.
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1.In theory,yes,in practice - you could not leave Hive city.

2.Mechanicum - you are probably right/or not,depending on book/
Hive cities - no,they do not have computers like ours there.
 
ATP said:
1.In theory,yes,in practice - you could not leave Hive city.
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Because you would die from the air, usually.

But that's the case for, uh, pheonix arizona too. Take a long ass walk into the area around that city in the summer and you ain't gonna be breathing for long. You know, because it's a fuckin dessert.

ATP said:
2.Mechanicum - you are probably right/or not,depending on book/
Hive cities - no,they do not have computers like ours there.
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Yes they do. The hive cities most certainly do.

Otherwise they physically would not function.
 
Vyor said:
Because you would die from the air, usually.

But that's the case for, uh, pheonix arizona too. Take a long ass walk into the area around that city in the summer and you ain't gonna be breathing for long. You know, because it's a fuckin dessert.


Yes they do. The hive cities most certainly do.

Otherwise they physically would not function.
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1.You could go to other city in USA.Not possible in Hive city - or,if possible,you get the same shit.
2.They do not function,they malfunction.
 
ATP said:
1.You could go to other city in USA.Not possible in Hive city - or,if possible,you get the same shit.
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You... can tho. I mean, fuck, there are ways to change what planet you're on.

ATP said:
2.They do not function,they malfunction.
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They do tho. If they didn't work at all, they wouldn't be able to tithe.

Scottty said:
There's a difference between automated systems, and "AI" in the sense of sapient machines.
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Yes.

Take a guess what the real world has.
 
Vyor said:
A concentration camp is a prison camp that you can't leave because the state says you can't leave.

A hive city doesn't fulfil any of those requirements.
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My dude, unless you are a noble, the only way you leave is if your local noble sells you or you get conscripted.
Vyor said:
Uhhh... their computers are more intelligent than ours dude. By miles. In the absolute worst case, they're only "on par" with every single AI we have on earth. At the same time. As in dall e+ChatGPT+Sophia+Wattson. All at once.
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There is the occasional computer here and there that puts ours to shame.
But most places do not have computers at all.
Besides which it does not matter how smart your computer is if the surveillance cameras it is connected to are all broken. And the only people with access to computer are a literal religious cult.

If a hiver wants to discuss their political opinions they go to the bar. They don't get on twatter and start posting it.
 
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Scottty said:
There's a difference between automated systems, and "AI" in the sense of sapient machines.
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Yes, but it is decided by religious zealots who will murder you if they think you are wrong. And that is largely based on appearances.

It does not matter that siri/chatGPT etc are not really self aware. They interact as if they are a person which is an abomination. and will be destroyed.

Any computer they have will be accessed via a dumb interface like the Machine God intended. Preferably via a literal binary beeping modem wired to their brain because religion.
 
mrttao said:
My dude, unless you are a noble, the only way you live is if your local noble sells you or you get conscripted.
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mrttao said:
But most places do not have computers at all.
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mrttao said:
It does not matter that siri/chatGPT etc are not really self aware. They interact as if they are a person which is an abomination. and will be destroyed.
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Say you know literally nothing about 40k without saying that.
 
Vyor said:
Say you know literally nothing about 40k without saying that.
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WH40 is tabletop game with cool figurines made to fight in melee.

And later they tried to explain logically why dudes with lasers fight in melee.Entire WH40 is just that - trying to explain why everybody have superweapons,but still fight like in medieval ages.

They failed,of course - but i do not blame them.It was mission impossible from the beginning.They should just say,that it is tabletop game made for fighting in melee.
 
ATP said:
And later they tried to explain logically why dudes with lasers fight in melee.Entire WH40 is just that - trying to explain why everybody have superweapons,but still fight like in medieval ages.
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Mzk1OA


Does this look like someone that will stay outside of melee range?
 
Vyor said:
Mzk1OA


Does this look like someone that will stay outside of melee range?
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Yes.Even now one good soldier with good rifle would kill him,becouse idiot is not using helmet.
Not mention modern artillery with thermobaric warheads - orks need to breathe to live,after all.
 
Vyor said:
Most of those vids aren't even environmentalism.


Ok, you fire a .50 cal bullet and it bounces off his skull.

What do?

And no, orks don't actually need to breath.
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Did it bounces off his eyes,too? And,even better,send small suicide racid drone at his head.
 
Vyor said:
Just... shut the fuck up.
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Why? you keep insisting,that dude without helmet could survive on modern battlefield long enough to get into melee.
Sorry,not going to happen.
Even if bulletproof bones existed,except eys orks had nose and ears,too.Even dudes with fucking muskets or longbows would take him down.

And,about breathing - we could just use napalm.Even if his bones are bulletproof,it still would not save him from that.

Back to topic - @DarthOne ,you are right.Entire Western Europe are built on state retiring system which take money from peope who are working.
Once people born after WW2 baby boon retire,which would happen about 2030,they would have no money for old people,and entire system would fall down.
 
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