What Anime are you watching today?

Not a big fan of anime, outside of some of the older stuff or Fullmetal Alchemist. To me, a lot of the more recent stuff is just pain by the number that's designed to appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator or is just formulaic. Which is a lot of problems I have with most modern shows these days, not so sound like a hipster.

It's sort of the issue with how most fantasy settings have with copying Tolkien; they're copies of copies of copies of the original idea. It's done without really understanding much of what made the original great. Either that or they're consciously done in attempt to subvert or defy the convetions of the setting. Which also tend to carry their own share of issues, see also a Song of Ice and Fire.

ShadowLord said:

Either that or they're consciously done in attempt to subvert or defy the convetions of the setting. Which also tend to carry their own share of issues, see also a Song of Ice and Fire.

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I'm pretty sure that ASOIAF isn't a Deconstruction of High Fantasy

Instead, it's a Historical/Low/Dark Fantasy setting, with weirdly enough a backstory that's not too out of place of being Sword&Sorcery



It even has the whole ancient forgotten civilisations upon ancient forgotten civilisations and a time when the Elder Races once ruled the Earth LONG before the rise of Mankind as mere stone-age primitives.

Hell, the Others are most likely one of said Elder Races. Same with the Deep Ones and the Maze Makers and whatever once inhabited Asshai and Stygai.

CarlManvers2019 said:

I'm pretty sure that ASOIAF isn't a Deconstruction of High Fantasy

Instead, it's a Historical/Low/Dark Fantasy setting, with weirdly enough a backstory that's not too out of place of being Sword&Sorcery

It even has the whole ancient forgotten civilisations upon ancient forgotten civilisations and a time when the Elder Races once ruled the Earth LONG before the rise of Mankind as mere stone-age primitives.

Hell, the Others are most likely one of said Elder Races. Same with the Deep Ones and the Maze Makers and whatever once inhabited Asshai and Stygai.

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Ehh debatable. Especially since we don't really see much of the world outside of Westeros or wehever in Essos Dany is in at the time or the like. Also, I'd ague that Dark Fantasy is itself a deconstruction/subversion of High Fantasy. (not to say there aren't good ones, the Black Company series is damn good, if not without its flaws to it)

ShadowLord said:

Ehh debatable. Especially since we don't really see much of the world outside of Westeros or wehever in Essos Dany is in at the time or the like. Also, I'd ague that Dark Fantasy is itself a deconstruction/subversion of High Fantasy. (not to say there aren't good ones, the Black Company series is damn good, if not without its flaws to it)

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Fair

That said, I think this “deconstruction/subversion” came to the world surprisingly early

I think JRR Tolkien was weirdly enough a Robert E. Howard fan

CarlManvers2019 said:

Fair

That said, I think this “deconstruction/subversion” came to the world surprisingly early

I think JRR Tolkien was weirdly enough a Robert E. Howard fan

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Possiably. Maybe the issue isn't so much deconstruction/subversion, but the fact that the people who are doing it are a bit bad at being storytellers? On reflection, that seems more likely to me, though that doesn't mean some exceptions don't exist. You cannot have a 'evil' superhero; they just become a supervillain. At worse you have an anti-hero. Same goes for 'good' villains and anti-villains.

Not sure if this counts as anime, but I saw a video of Russian two time Silver Medalist Olympian figure skater Evgenia Medvedeva do a routine as Sailor Moon.