You’re made leader of the USSR in 1933,what changes will you do to the union?

ATP

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Restore the Empire.
Re-capitalize/privatize the economy.
Close the Gulags.
Prepare the Army
Then when WW2 come around (If I am still in power), we’d hopefully be able to push all the way to France, restore all the monarchies, and sit tight as an Hegemon.
Yes, I know, but you did give me full powers. :p

Plausible,french monarchist would take power in France if election there were fair.Spain and Portugal would follow,too.
As for Poland - we were ruled by incopetent military junta in 1939,so replacing it with King would only help us.Maybe Otto Habsburg ?
 

stevep

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Historically, there was no chance-with OTL's Soviet Union's leadership-to have a real USSR Axis alliance. It's probably one of the great What Ifs of WWII in terms of seeing how such a scenario would play out.

Fortunately there was no chance of the cluster-fuck that a Nazi-Soviet alliance would have been for the world because of both evil egomanics in charge but especially the deranged idiot that was Hitler.

"And this, Comrades, is why The Party does not entrust leadership of Soviet Union to random people on Internet."

Very true. Not many people would openly admit to being a sadistic mass-murderer as Doomsought is doing. ;) Not to mention as well as screwing over the population of the 1933 Soviet empire the disastrous impact it would have on the rest of the world.

Are you for real? Their are no positives to such a scenario! That will ensure Europe remains half fascist /half communist for the foreseeable future!

The best way is to go for the OTL outcome except hamper the speed you take over Europe leaving to the allies grabbing more before you do. Afterwards, kill anybody in the USSR who is remotely aware of the atomic bomb and have any scientist involved in nuclear physics sent to the gulag.

The allies take more, the Nazis burn and the Soviets are contained with less resources than OTL with any atomic development set back decades.

I think there's a lot better that could be done if you can overcome the after effects of Lenin's coup and bring a level of real democracy and rule of law to the region. As well as prevent most of the disaster that fascism inflicted on Europe from ~1938 onward.

Howeevr agree that the worrying thing is the people who seem to be thinking "how can we slaughter even more of the world's population and degrade humanity more than OTL?"

No.
I'd prefer the guy whose ID said:
Karol Olbracht Habsburg-Lotaryński

Interesting character and he might make the basis for a monarchy if the Poles wanted such. Seems like a very brave man who also struck to his ideals.
 

JagerIV

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Hm, we are one year from Hitler's assension. Should a risky direct move be made against him right away, or is that too risky with the outcome too uncertain?

Certainly wouldn't want hitlers removal to make way for a social communist power in Europe. How central histler himself is a big unknown to me right now, and who replaces him.

Plus, well, a failed assassination attempt of a foreign leader that prominent has its own downsides.

My instinct is to not move aggressively against hitler right out of the gate, but that might be an overabundance of caution.
 

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Historically, there was no chance-with OTL's Soviet Union's leadership-to have a real USSR Axis alliance. It's probably one of the great What Ifs of WWII in terms of seeing how such a scenario would play out.
Just because it's a great 'what if' doesn't make it a good option. I play Fallout and yet as much as I love it if a God makes me President tomorrow I am not scrambling for the black box first thing or at all.

Their are no positives in this scenario or any for that matter than involve Hitler remaining in charge over Europe.
I mean, once ive achieved god king, why throw that away? I'm not sure it's really in the spirit of this kind of exercise to assume ones a Manchurian candidate. Though I could be wrong.
The problem with being a absolute ruler via mind control is that once you die, all you built falls apart quickly and furthermore our mind control only extends as far as the Soviet Union so foreign communist spys and groups won't be useful if we suddenly change ideology nor will any country we take over be inclined to obey us.
 

Doomsought

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The problem with being a absolute ruler via mind control is that once you die, all you built falls apart quickly and furthermore our mind control only extends as far as the Soviet Union so foreign communist spys and groups won't be useful if we suddenly change ideology nor will any country we take over be inclined to obey us.
And that is why I instead decided to use the opportunity to make communism have the most putrid stench in the septic tank of history.
 

ATP

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Historically, there was no chance-with OTL's Soviet Union's leadership-to have a real USSR Axis alliance. It's probably one of the great What Ifs of WWII in terms of seeing how such a scenario would play out.

Yes,soviets wonted entire world,which include Europe,and germans only Europe - but becouse we have only one Europe,all alliances must be temporary and they must fought for it to the bitter end.Which they did.
There could be no 2 Alpha males in one cage.
 

Navarro

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Historically, there was no chance-with OTL's Soviet Union's leadership-to have a real USSR Axis alliance. It's probably one of the great What Ifs of WWII in terms of seeing how such a scenario would play out.

A. Alt-hist spitballing is a different thing with vastly different moral implications than actually leading a real country with real people living in it.

B. What makes you think Mr. Moustache won't break this agreement as he did with every other one he made IOTL or indeed as he did with the real Soviet-German alliance?

As for me, I'd follow @Circle of Willis' plan, with some efforts to try and guide Russian technological progress into areas that proved fruitful IRL, both for the war and for the post-war peace.
 
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stevep

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A. Alt-hist spitballing is a different thing with vastly different moral implications than actually leading a real country with real people living in it.

B. What makes you think Mr. Moustache won't break this agreeement as he did with every other one he made IOTL or indeed as he did with the real Soviet-German alliance?

As for me, I'd follow @Circle of Willis' plan, with some efforts to try and guide Russian technology progress into areas that proved fruitful IRL, both for the war and for the post-war peace.

Small quibble with point B. Both the distinctly nasty [i.e. evil mass murderer nasty] characters in question were also famous for their facial hair. ;) Take it you referring to Mr H rather than Mr S.

Otherwise fully agree.
 

Buba

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BTW - the premise, "made leader of USSR in 1933", IMO implies either that you are a Stalin SI, or you are an SI into somebody of Politburo rank (or just below) and have just murdered your way to the top and are dancing on Stalin's corpse ...
 
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Winston Bush

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BTW - the premise, "made leader of USSR in 1933", IMO implies either that you are a Stalin SI, or you are an SI into somebody of Politburo rank (or just below) and have just murdered your way to the top and are dancing on Stalin's corpse ...
The former.
 

VictortheMonarch

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1. Execute EVERYONE who participated in the killings of the Romanov family, If they're still alive
2. Industrialize the country, simply, not to the same extent that the Russians did.
3. slowly fade socialism out of the govt.
4. Ally Finland, we don't need another Winter War!
5. Modernize the Army
6. Invade China, its the perfect front for a war in the east, and my god would that manpower be a blessing
7. Build a shit ton of Aircraft Carriers.
8. Bulldoze over Germany while they're preoccupied with France
9. Take as much land as Possible in the peace deal,
10. Reinstate the Romanov Dynasty.

11. Live out in the Caucuses, living the dream.
12. Die.
 

ATP

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1. Execute EVERYONE who participated in the killings of the Romanov family, If they're still alive
2. Industrialize the country, simply, not to the same extent that the Russians did.
3. slowly fade socialism out of the govt.
4. Ally Finland, we don't need another Winter War!
5. Modernize the Army
6. Invade China, its the perfect front for a war in the east, and my god would that manpower be a blessing
7. Build a shit ton of Aircraft Carriers.
8. Bulldoze over Germany while they're preoccupied with France
9. Take as much land as Possible in the peace deal,
10. Reinstate the Romanov Dynasty.

11. Live out in the Caucuses, living the dream.
12. Die.

It would not work,if somebody made putch.You need :
1.Take control of both NKWD and Red army - purge all who need it
2.Purge entire communist party higher ranks.
Without that,you would die trying.
 

VictortheMonarch

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It would not work,if somebody made putch.You need :
1.Take control of both NKWD and Red army - purge all who need it
2.Purge entire communist party higher ranks.
Without that,you would die trying.
Those are all things glossed over, they would all happen, but they weren't mentioned, as those are things you have to do anyways, as you would simply be killed by rival factions. Fuck Stalin, but the dude was just doing what everyone else was doing, only he was more blunt about it.
 

Atarlost

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I think Doomsought is on the right track. I don't agree with his plan in detail, but it is at least trying to use failure in Russia to bring down worldwide communism. I don't have any particular attachment to Russia and am more interested in sabotaging the European and American socialist movements. If I can get enough of them in an ill-timed coordinated violent uprising they'll get themselves wiped out by the panicked governments.
 

VictortheMonarch

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Fortunately there was no chance of the cluster-fuck that a Nazi-Soviet alliance would have been for the world because of both evil egomanics in charge but especially the deranged idiot that was Hitler.



Very true. Not many people would openly admit to being a sadistic mass-murderer as Doomsought is doing. ;) Not to mention as well as screwing over the population of the 1933 Soviet empire the disastrous impact it would have on the rest of the world.



I think there's a lot better that could be done if you can overcome the after effects of Lenin's coup and bring a level of real democracy and rule of law to the region. As well as prevent most of the disaster that fascism inflicted on Europe from ~1938 onward.

Howeevr agree that the worrying thing is the people who seem to be thinking "how can we slaughter even more of the world's population and degrade humanity more than OTL?"



Interesting character and he might make the basis for a monarchy if the Poles wanted such. Seems like a very brave man who also struck to his ideals.
As far as I'm concerned, Communist aren't people, I mean, who would INTENTIONALLY screw over an entire country, and you would eventually stop after you see, HEY! If I keep doing this, then I'll have nothing left! But now we have clusterfucks like Venezuela. And people still want to do it! It might be my anger and frustration here, but putting them all on an boat with nothing but a weeks worth of bread then casting them off would be a brilliant thing! They'd be dead in a week.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, Communist aren't people, I mean, who would INTENTIONALLY screw over an entire country, and you would eventually stop after you see, HEY! If I keep doing this, then I'll have nothing left! But now we have clusterfucks like Venezuela. And people still want to do it! It might be my anger and frustration here, but putting them all on an boat with nothing but a weeks worth of bread then casting them off would be a brilliant thing! They'd be dead in a week.

You mean their no different than free market capitalists, fascists, religious fanatics and other such idiotic groups. Simplistic bigotry never solves problems - except in extreme cases by mass murder - and ignores the facts. Simply saying "I don't like population A because they disagree with me so I'm going to slaughter the lot" is moronically stupid. Ideally you will never have any actual power to engage in your sick fantasies as you will leave whatever nation you dominate in an horrendous mess as well as the sheer death toll of your blood-lust.

I'm no fan of communists - like any other group of sick fanatics - but I do realise why they gained a fair measure of support in a number of countries given the lack of alternative opportunities for many people in those states. Also I'm also concerned when people argue for similar approaches to communism but against people they have an empty hatred of.
 

VictortheMonarch

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You mean their no different than free market capitalists, fascists, religious fanatics and other such idiotic groups. Simplistic bigotry never solves problems - except in extreme cases by mass murder - and ignores the facts. Simply saying "I don't like population A because they disagree with me so I'm going to slaughter the lot" is moronically stupid. Ideally you will never have any actual power to engage in your sick fantasies as you will leave whatever nation you dominate in an horrendous mess as well as the sheer death toll of your blood-lust.

I'm no fan of communists - like any other group of sick fanatics - but I do realise why they gained a fair measure of support in a number of countries given the lack of alternative opportunities for many people in those states. Also I'm also concerned when people argue for similar approaches to communism but against people they have an empty hatred of.
Pretty much in a bind I hate Extremism as a whole. I hate Communist, who ruin their country, I hate Fascist, who ruin a countries unity, I hate Fanatics, as all religions are alright, as long one doesn't try to kill another (one such example is the Modern Terrorist Caliphate's and their Islamic doctrines) and most importantly, I hate people who jump to conclusions. I haven't killed anyone, and pray I don't have to, but, there are two problems with this world. Evil and Good.

We've seen Evil from the likes of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Khan, and Oliver Cromwell, each were leaders of their political parties, and each did horrid things. Hitler killed the Jews, Stalin starved his people and slaughtered those who opposed him, Cromwell massacred Catholics just because he could and Genghis Khan returned insults with piles of skulls.

On the other hand, we have the side of Good, Charlemagne, George Washington, General Patton and many others! But do you know what both of these sides did? They killed many innocent people. Not everyone who followed Hitler wanted to enslave europe, not every person who followed Stalin wanted millions to die.

What I'm saying here is, there isn't an 'Evil' political party, more of how it's used, and if it's effective. Fascism is good for a Militarily one ethnicity country, Monarchism is good for a group of people who want an educated and prepared leader, Communism is good for controlling your nation, if food is not a problem, and Democracy is good for those who have too many groups of people for just one man to cater too.

From what has been proven by history, all systems of govt. work. It's simply how competent you are, and how moderate your nation is. Most of the Communist I've met have been critically obese people who want others to do the work while they sit on their ass have food shoveled into their mouths. Thus I hate them. I don't hate all communist, I think that Vietnam's communist party was quite alright, and while yeah, they did torture people, their struggle was legitimate.

When I said to shove them out to see, I'm talking about New Communism, not the Communist that were actually justified. Which, when you actually look at it, was a VERY short list. for instance, China's communist were justified, both Imperial govt and Democratic govt had failed the people spectacularly. However, it became quite apparent that the people in charge under communism didn't know shit either. They were justified, and fought for the people! but when those in power got drunk off said power, and with nothing in line to check them? A once legitimate effort to help the people of China, became another shackle.

Pretty much what I am saying is, a communist nation who doesn't go ape-shit dictator, or try to Industrialize too fast is a decent-able one. Communism is perfect for Agrarianism, not Industrialism. Which is my point of what I said.
 
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King Arts

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Why do people act like such cucks and say things like they will restore the Romanovs. Nicky 2nd was just as stupid as communists but just dumber than the likes of Stalin. He still had famines. If you like monarchy just declare yourself Tsar and start a new dynasty instead of simping for losers.
 

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