Winston Bush
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Every official in the government will agree with your changes so don’t worry about playing house of cards socialist addition. Also how will your changes affect other nations outside the union itself?
You’re made leader of the USSR in 1933,what changes will you do to the union?
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- Stop all persecution of Christianity.
- End the gulags
- Cease all support for revolutionary movements worldwide
- De-collectivize the system, restoring private ownership on a small-scale leve
- Modernize the armed forces. Because I happen to have some future knowledge...
All @Scotty said - but first purge all belivers in Party,otherwise they would kill you and made soviet hell again.Of course,kill them in the name of Lenin.
After making reforms - wait for 1939 and send armies to crush Germany,after that divide it into independent states again.
History Learner
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Go full NazBol/Strasserist, align with Germany against the Anglo-Americans. WWII thus sees a War of the Wolves (Nazi Germany, USSR, Fascist Italy, etc) vs the Whales (United States, United Kingdom, Imperial Japan, etc).
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
Restore the Empire.
Re-capitalize/privatize the economy.
Close the Gulags.
Prepare the Army
Then when WW2 come around (If I am still in power), we’d hopefully be able to push all the way to France, restore all the monarchies, and sit tight as an Hegemon.
Yes, I know, but you did give me full powers.
Re-capitalize/privatize the economy.
Close the Gulags.
Prepare the Army
Then when WW2 come around (If I am still in power), we’d hopefully be able to push all the way to France, restore all the monarchies, and sit tight as an Hegemon.
Yes, I know, but you did give me full powers.
Circle of Willis
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Short term: restore the capitalistic initiatives of the NEP, shut down the gulags & suspend collectivization, cease persecutions of the religious & ethnic groups, alleviate/don't cause famines, don't purge the military and reconcile with the West.
Long term, AKA the stuff I can only get away with if the rest of the Soviet regime continues to obey me in all things after the inevitable confrontation with the Germans: dismantle the Communist Party, disband the USSR in general by allowing the various SSRs to regain independence, restore the short-lived republic in Russia itself, and expose the full extent of Communist infiltration into the West's institutions. Finally, after all that, arrange for a peaceful handover to an assuredly non-Communist elected successor and retire to a nice tropical island somewhere.
Long term, AKA the stuff I can only get away with if the rest of the Soviet regime continues to obey me in all things after the inevitable confrontation with the Germans: dismantle the Communist Party, disband the USSR in general by allowing the various SSRs to regain independence, restore the short-lived republic in Russia itself, and expose the full extent of Communist infiltration into the West's institutions. Finally, after all that, arrange for a peaceful handover to an assuredly non-Communist elected successor and retire to a nice tropical island somewhere.
Val the Moofia Boss
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Find Kirill Vladimirovich (cousin of Nicholas II). Round up the high level communist fanatics and have them killed or imprisoned. Print and distribute propaganda stating that the one true emperor and his loyalists returned to Russia to overthrow the evil commissars, abolishing the USSR and establishing the Russian Empire. However, I won't be handing full power over to Kirill just yet. He'll be mostly a figurehead until Russia's problems are sorted out. Do everything @Scottty mentioned but attribute it all to Kirill to restore faith in the monarchy. When Kirill has son, surround him with trusted advisers and raise him to be a good emperor. Once Kirill passes away and his son can be trusted, pass the reins to him.
Also, start beefing up our military defenses along Germany and along Poland and Romania and along the East coast of Russia (to defend from Japan). Forge a close alliance with Poland, Romania, and China to defend against the Germans and the Japanese.
This is going to be really difficult. A lot of the records regarding which families owned which land were lost. Going to have to implement a program where people have to come in and sit down and describe how they lived on the plot of land they are claiming was once theirs. Would also help if they could have neighbors come back them up. Not everyone will be able to prove they owned a particular plot of land, though, so for the rest we're going to have to do raffles to reissue land plots back to the people.
I'm not sure what the objective of this would be. Just trying to amass more land and power? You'll get a lot of land siding with the Allies against the Axis. In fact, you'll get even more land than the USSR did OTL, because without the stupid Soviet system of starving your people, executing officers for being too good, and throwing tens of thousands of mens at machine gun nests, your military is going to be a LOT more effective than the USSR in OTL, so you're going to be able to claim more land and have way better claims at the negotiating table to keep it.
Also, start beefing up our military defenses along Germany and along Poland and Romania and along the East coast of Russia (to defend from Japan). Forge a close alliance with Poland, Romania, and China to defend against the Germans and the Japanese.
This is going to be really difficult. A lot of the records regarding which families owned which land were lost. Going to have to implement a program where people have to come in and sit down and describe how they lived on the plot of land they are claiming was once theirs. Would also help if they could have neighbors come back them up. Not everyone will be able to prove they owned a particular plot of land, though, so for the rest we're going to have to do raffles to reissue land plots back to the people.
I'm not sure what the objective of this would be. Just trying to amass more land and power? You'll get a lot of land siding with the Allies against the Axis. In fact, you'll get even more land than the USSR did OTL, because without the stupid Soviet system of starving your people, executing officers for being too good, and throwing tens of thousands of mens at machine gun nests, your military is going to be a LOT more effective than the USSR in OTL, so you're going to be able to claim more land and have way better claims at the negotiating table to keep it.
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Hm, I'm not really sure you can "end the gulag's" and still be functional. If nothing else, you probably need them to maintain power and house the communists/counter power people. Though, every official is loyal makes things a little complicated in how much power one actually has. Depends how far down that goes.
I would also have a great many periphery independence movements. After all, they all broke away when the Empire fell apart, and immediately moved for independence when the USSR fell apart. Unless the "all officials" stretches all the way down to the mayors of chechyna and their Imams, I'm still ruling a vast multi cultural empire, and if I found myself in charge, I would not be eager to necessarily diminish my own power and leave those areas to their own devices.
Plus, well, I know I'm going to be getting into some sort of fight with certainly Germany and China, and probably will come to some sort of conflict with Britain and the USA. Assuming I imagine I am a committed leader of the Union, Rather than operating as some sort of agent for the United States, which is probably what exactly me would end up being.
I would also have a great many periphery independence movements. After all, they all broke away when the Empire fell apart, and immediately moved for independence when the USSR fell apart. Unless the "all officials" stretches all the way down to the mayors of chechyna and their Imams, I'm still ruling a vast multi cultural empire, and if I found myself in charge, I would not be eager to necessarily diminish my own power and leave those areas to their own devices.
Plus, well, I know I'm going to be getting into some sort of fight with certainly Germany and China, and probably will come to some sort of conflict with Britain and the USA. Assuming I imagine I am a committed leader of the Union, Rather than operating as some sort of agent for the United States, which is probably what exactly me would end up being.
If your got that level of control seek to 'restore' human rights and the ability for private property and ownership of land. [Quotes because they only really existed for a few months between the revolution and Lenin's coup]. Try and keep the assorted SSRs friendly - which will be easier in some case such as Georgia and Armenia than others. Start to rebuild agriculture from the mess Lenin and Stalin created and also expand technical education while keeping a decent level of industrialisation. However with allowing market reforms so while the government sets the targets for some areas of importance a lot more effort goes into consumer goods.
End the persecution of any group that will accept the republic and respect human rights but keep an eye out for any fanatics.
Major military build up can wait until say 36-37 onward and can be on a fairly low level at 1st. Russia has time to get modern equipment and to practice to get good designs and tactics so when war comes.
In two minds about strategy. Could go for either a clear hostility towards the fascist powers or stay fairly neutral and isolationist. The latter has the advantage that if things go as OTL and Poland refuses an offer of Russian support in 1939 you sign the agreement with Hitler and get the eastern parts of Poland, which are overwhelming non-Polish so should be easy to absorb. Then have forces ready to strike west as soon as the Germans go against the western powers. Use what intelligence you can, plus your own personal knowledge if it still seems to apply to try and indirectly warn the allies if it looks like the Germans are going for the sickle cut. With aid cut off and large mobile forces advancing through Poland into eastern Germany it should be necessary to bring the Nazi nightmare to a quick end.
Sort out a reasonably stable peace with the western allies, which leaves Italy isolated as Mussolini won't have a chance to jump into the bomb-fire in this scenario and Japan is now highly isolated, although not intending to go into Manchuria or Korea unless the situation looks right.
No real interest in adding masses of conquered territory as its probably more hassle than its worth and I would want a strong and successful Russia rather than a big empire. Look for friendly relations with the border regions, especially Poland and Romania as buffers and a weakened Germany - militarily at least as well as restoring Czechoslovakia.
End the persecution of any group that will accept the republic and respect human rights but keep an eye out for any fanatics.
Major military build up can wait until say 36-37 onward and can be on a fairly low level at 1st. Russia has time to get modern equipment and to practice to get good designs and tactics so when war comes.
In two minds about strategy. Could go for either a clear hostility towards the fascist powers or stay fairly neutral and isolationist. The latter has the advantage that if things go as OTL and Poland refuses an offer of Russian support in 1939 you sign the agreement with Hitler and get the eastern parts of Poland, which are overwhelming non-Polish so should be easy to absorb. Then have forces ready to strike west as soon as the Germans go against the western powers. Use what intelligence you can, plus your own personal knowledge if it still seems to apply to try and indirectly warn the allies if it looks like the Germans are going for the sickle cut. With aid cut off and large mobile forces advancing through Poland into eastern Germany it should be necessary to bring the Nazi nightmare to a quick end.
Sort out a reasonably stable peace with the western allies, which leaves Italy isolated as Mussolini won't have a chance to jump into the bomb-fire in this scenario and Japan is now highly isolated, although not intending to go into Manchuria or Korea unless the situation looks right.
No real interest in adding masses of conquered territory as its probably more hassle than its worth and I would want a strong and successful Russia rather than a big empire. Look for friendly relations with the border regions, especially Poland and Romania as buffers and a weakened Germany - militarily at least as well as restoring Czechoslovakia.
Buba
A total creep
1 - carry out a Purge To End All Purges, murdering all those responsible for the genocide of Collectivisation; end/limit political suppression - aspire to Singapore Model.
2 - de-collectivise agriculture, bring back NEP; basically - try to pull off a Deng China;
3 - replace Cyrilic with Latin script as originally planned. I also terminate "Soviet Calendar" (maybe introdude leap-week 5-4-4 perenial calendar?) and emulate Japanese "Happy Monday!" policy of moving all possible holidays to Mondays.
4 - annex north Kazakhstan to Russian SFRR;
5 - build more canals (e.g. Eurasian Canal) and copy US and Canadian river-reversing/diverting exploits;
6 - a milder military build-up. Knowing what worked and what did not saves money and time. Hence smarter purchases of technology, e.g. no duds like Vickers 6-ton or Christie. No battleships;
7 - less money spent on subversives/useful idiots abroad;
8 - do Stalin-Hitler Pact of 1939 as in OTL. In 1940 I'd wait until after Dunkirk and France being on the verge of collapse and get good terms from Entente and backstab Hitler then;
9 - I'm happy to let Central Asia go, the Trans Caucasus too. I never make a move for the Baltics;
10 - I restore Poland (I set up a Poland in more or less 1945 borders) and post-Munich Czechia. I want The Straits, though
11 - I launch nuclear bomb programme - my layman's knowledge should shave off a few years and I look forward to nukes in early 40's;
2 - de-collectivise agriculture, bring back NEP; basically - try to pull off a Deng China;
3 - replace Cyrilic with Latin script as originally planned. I also terminate "Soviet Calendar" (maybe introdude leap-week 5-4-4 perenial calendar?) and emulate Japanese "Happy Monday!" policy of moving all possible holidays to Mondays.
4 - annex north Kazakhstan to Russian SFRR;
5 - build more canals (e.g. Eurasian Canal) and copy US and Canadian river-reversing/diverting exploits;
6 - a milder military build-up. Knowing what worked and what did not saves money and time. Hence smarter purchases of technology, e.g. no duds like Vickers 6-ton or Christie. No battleships;
7 - less money spent on subversives/useful idiots abroad;
8 - do Stalin-Hitler Pact of 1939 as in OTL. In 1940 I'd wait until after Dunkirk and France being on the verge of collapse and get good terms from Entente and backstab Hitler then;
9 - I'm happy to let Central Asia go, the Trans Caucasus too. I never make a move for the Baltics;
10 - I restore Poland (I set up a Poland in more or less 1945 borders) and post-Munich Czechia. I want The Straits, though
11 - I launch nuclear bomb programme - my layman's knowledge should shave off a few years and I look forward to nukes in early 40's;
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Morphic Tide
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Hmm... My main goal would be trying to make the Soviet Union a federal system able to get buy-in from Communist China when that happens because it's less controlling, so that wider reforms to mirror successful "socialist" states from decades later affect all political significance of the concept, using regional experimentation where possible to figure out a lot more of what works and what doesn't and shame the US over prohibition while doing so.
Focus military development on maximum standardization without ending up wholly obsolete, such as having light artillery directly compatible with tank destroyers, tank destroyers being nearly wholly a different turret to the medium tank, parts commonality between sub-machine gun and light machine gun while working on getting assault rifles on the same platform working.
The exception being secret nuclearization, using the nationalized electrical grid and having power plants built into slightly isolated military bases to hide its use for civilian applications, while testing is done by secret high-altitude bomber on the winter ice sheets. Absolutely minimal evidence of buildup, so when Nazis suddenly have their forward bases replaced with radioactive craters, they'll have very horrifying realizations about what war with the Soviet Union means when they do, even if there's only like a dozen of the things in existence at a time.
Put what can be managed into backing Chinese Communists agreeable to the re-orientation I'm going for, but the moment Japan declares war, make it clear that the group backed is expected to assist in defense against the hostile Imperialists.
...In other words, unironically try to make Global Communism work by very extensive use of political and economic experimentation and study to figure out the best possible implementation via a federalized Soviet Union, and making the grand subversive push into a matter of being absurdly blatant in taking over some African shitholes, then turn them into economic hotspots with a properly scientific approach to economics, looking to make the people of the world beg to become "Soviet" because to be Soviet is to have the greatest wonders of the world.
Of course, I'd probably end up just completely crashing and burning, or find myself assassinated by a true believer outside the bureaucracy that's magically loyal to my scatterbrained NEET self, but "Soviets win by using federalization as means to perform economic experiments" would definitely constitute an interesting timeline.
Focus military development on maximum standardization without ending up wholly obsolete, such as having light artillery directly compatible with tank destroyers, tank destroyers being nearly wholly a different turret to the medium tank, parts commonality between sub-machine gun and light machine gun while working on getting assault rifles on the same platform working.
The exception being secret nuclearization, using the nationalized electrical grid and having power plants built into slightly isolated military bases to hide its use for civilian applications, while testing is done by secret high-altitude bomber on the winter ice sheets. Absolutely minimal evidence of buildup, so when Nazis suddenly have their forward bases replaced with radioactive craters, they'll have very horrifying realizations about what war with the Soviet Union means when they do, even if there's only like a dozen of the things in existence at a time.
Put what can be managed into backing Chinese Communists agreeable to the re-orientation I'm going for, but the moment Japan declares war, make it clear that the group backed is expected to assist in defense against the hostile Imperialists.
...In other words, unironically try to make Global Communism work by very extensive use of political and economic experimentation and study to figure out the best possible implementation via a federalized Soviet Union, and making the grand subversive push into a matter of being absurdly blatant in taking over some African shitholes, then turn them into economic hotspots with a properly scientific approach to economics, looking to make the people of the world beg to become "Soviet" because to be Soviet is to have the greatest wonders of the world.
Of course, I'd probably end up just completely crashing and burning, or find myself assassinated by a true believer outside the bureaucracy that's magically loyal to my scatterbrained NEET self, but "Soviets win by using federalization as means to perform economic experiments" would definitely constitute an interesting timeline.
Doomsought
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To start off with, I erase myself from history, make all of the leadership think I'm pulling some sort of keiser soze style shit. I never sit at my desk, I stand in front of a window during all meetings instead, this is because the seat of my chair contains a landmine.
Set up all the corrupt bureaucrats to have their rivalries escalate out of control, do some shenanigans with the secret police to make things personal. Do similar things to make regional governments hate each-other. Nudge the borders of provinces so that they are misaligned with ethnic distributions and convince each and every Russian ethnicity that a different one is responsible for embezzling their supplies rather and causing bread lines. Do this semi-randomly, just ensuring that each ethnic group has someone that hates them.
Meanwhile order a nuclear thermalpile laboratory be set up under the records building in Moscow. At the same time, centralize all records keeping of the soviet union into one building. Anything older than a a year must be sent to the archives. Centralize everything else I can in Moscow while I'm at it, put the most insane palace economy I can think of into a five year plan so that things are getting progressively worse after my planned retirement.
As the capstone to my career, I liquidate the soviet leadership, specifically including everyone in the soviet union who has personally witnessed my existence, using one ton of dimethylmercury, approximately one week after I skip town. Around the same time, incendiary devices introduce the records department of the soviet union to the unique scent of burning uranium, followed soon by burning documents. I steal as much of the tracks to the Trans-Siberian railway on the way out as I can and sell them to Japan as scrap metal under the assumed name "Igor Pachmelnik Zakuskov"
I watch the toxic flaming shitshow explode into fireworks from the safety of a capybara farm in Brazil.
Set up all the corrupt bureaucrats to have their rivalries escalate out of control, do some shenanigans with the secret police to make things personal. Do similar things to make regional governments hate each-other. Nudge the borders of provinces so that they are misaligned with ethnic distributions and convince each and every Russian ethnicity that a different one is responsible for embezzling their supplies rather and causing bread lines. Do this semi-randomly, just ensuring that each ethnic group has someone that hates them.
Meanwhile order a nuclear thermalpile laboratory be set up under the records building in Moscow. At the same time, centralize all records keeping of the soviet union into one building. Anything older than a a year must be sent to the archives. Centralize everything else I can in Moscow while I'm at it, put the most insane palace economy I can think of into a five year plan so that things are getting progressively worse after my planned retirement.
As the capstone to my career, I liquidate the soviet leadership, specifically including everyone in the soviet union who has personally witnessed my existence, using one ton of dimethylmercury, approximately one week after I skip town. Around the same time, incendiary devices introduce the records department of the soviet union to the unique scent of burning uranium, followed soon by burning documents. I steal as much of the tracks to the Trans-Siberian railway on the way out as I can and sell them to Japan as scrap metal under the assumed name "Igor Pachmelnik Zakuskov"
I watch the toxic flaming shitshow explode into fireworks from the safety of a capybara farm in Brazil.
Buba
A total creep
Doomsought
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When erasing myself from history, I instruct the high ranking members of the Eastern Orphodox Curch to refer to myself with various epithets such as "The Light bringer" or "The Dawn's Son" in order to seed the suspicion that the Soviet Union was litterally ruled by the devil.
Are you for real? Their are no positives to such a scenario! That will ensure Europe remains half fascist /half communist for the foreseeable future!
The best way is to go for the OTL outcome except hamper the speed you take over Europe leaving to the allies grabbing more before you do. Afterwards, kill anybody in the USSR who is remotely aware of the atomic bomb and have any scientist involved in nuclear physics sent to the gulag.
The allies take more, the Nazis burn and the Soviets are contained with less resources than OTL with any atomic development set back decades.
I mean, once ive achieved god king, why throw that away? I'm not sure it's really in the spirit of this kind of exercise to assume ones a Manchurian candidate. Though I could be wrong.
History Learner
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Historically, there was no chance-with OTL's Soviet Union's leadership-to have a real USSR Axis alliance. It's probably one of the great What Ifs of WWII in terms of seeing how such a scenario would play out.
"And this, Comrades, is why The Party does not entrust leadership of Soviet Union to random people on Internet."
First thing is first, make sure that Stalin has an unfortunate accident and falls face first onto an ice pick. After that do much the same as other people, suspend the purges (though some light removal of hardliners and certain dangerous individuals may be warranted), revive the NEP and work on light economic reforms, end collectivization and instead encourage mass ownership of agricultural land, end religious persecution, send Trotsky the ice pick that ended Stalin as a message/trophy, increase autonomy of the SSRs, and so on.
Thinking that I'd want to reform the USSR to be market socialist at worst or distributist at best.
Thinking that I'd want to reform the USSR to be market socialist at worst or distributist at best.