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Draco

Adida
I'm remarkably confused, why did you put me on the same side as Azahiel?
Ti An Profile said:
A relatively young god, formed shortly before the great war, Ti An was quickly dragged into the ensuing conflict and found herself forced to witness again and again the formerly established boundaries and statutes crumble as the war of the gods escalated and progressed. She led a spirited campaign against the instigator of the war, coming to blows with them more than once over the course of the struggle, often coming off worse than her opponent for each clash.
The instigator of the war by all accounts is War from what I've read, because he wanted anarchy and strife above all else. You also make mention of your character being firmly aligned against any persons who live without a code, so it seemed extremely unlikely you'd be on the same side as the war god who started tearing down the established boundaries.
 

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Sun travels through the sky. Birds spend large parts of their lives in the sky.

Khunji as the absentee owner of the frathouse who has to be found and convinced to step in and try to mediate disputes between their friends/housemates?

As for the Great War; Khunji would have mostly cared about preventing the mortal civilization from being permanently crippled in their potential. So either neutral or helping both sides at first, and eventually only supporting Azahiel's faction.
 

socsod

Member
Mostly done with my sheet, mainly thinking about Hero ideas and if I want to add them or not and hashing out some details with Reimu about the items. Will post for IC soon.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
How do you suggest reaching the sun? If you reached him, how do you avoid being burned by his sweltering rays on the approach? With what kind of God-Magic? Who would do so? At this point he was less a God, and more like a materialized force of nature.

Who would organize the effort? How would the Gods communicate coherently to work toward this task? There are a lot of logistics to this that I imagine would make it more difficult then what you're saying it is. I think it should've been a more meaningful moment then "a rando god went up there and punched him".

I'm not saying it'd be impossible. We're Gods, this is very doable. I just think it should've been more of an event to react to him initially. Especially with how disorganized and inexperienced the early Gods as a whole were compared to now.

Suggesting it to be so easy kind of dampens the conflict it could bring, along with not being that internally logical. It also kinda brings down the meaning of the Birb Gods actions quite a bit.
I'm confused, did the GMs make him more powerful than the rest of us?

How would they get up to reach him? With their... god powers? "*Whoosh sound*, behold, Godguy stands before you, in middair, ready to wrastle."

What would they do to him? Hit him? You might ask "How could you approach Vaad without being blasted by his sweltering brain magic?" the most direct answer being "shield yourself with something or tank the hit and then drop kick him over the horizon"

Communicate effectively? With talking or telepathy or whatever they want. Or do it themselves, if they've got the stones for it.

I dont believe I suggested it would be easy, in fact I said the direct opposite several times, my words were "No harder than forcing a different rogue god from doing harm on purpose", and I later said "certainly difficult". Simple, does not mean easy.

A battle between peers is always a perilous encounter, and doubly so when the adversary is not well known. It seems fairly reasonable that the Birb-god kind of god stuck on the back-foot in a difficult to break cycle in this struggle, having to save up her strength during the night and cover for her mortals during the day. It's further not beyond reason that no one wanted to be the first one to leap into the fray against something equally strong to themselves, for long enough for the problem to solve itself.
 

Reimu Hakurei

Fantasy Heaven
I'm confused, did the GMs make him more powerful than the rest of us?
I feel as though the Sun is indeed a powerful purview, logically speaking. Internally within the universe the Sun has been established as powerful by multiple people so far.

How would they get up to reach him? With their... god powers? "*Whoosh sound*, behold, Godguy stands before you, in middair, ready to wrastle."

You don't seem to specify what God powers, beside very general statements. You're fighting a God of the Heavens in the Heavens. Do you think that is the optimal place for the God of Nature, for example? Not all Gods are the same, and that would definitely be a factor. Internal logic is important in shared writing projects to ensure a level of quality and fun for everyone involved.

What would they do to him? Hit him? You might ask "How could you approach Vaad without being blasted by his sweltering brain magic?" the most direct answer being "shield yourself with something or tank the hit and then drop kick him over the horizon"

There is a difference between your Gods brain magic and a giant fireball in the sky killing the universe. At a meta level this is a shared writing project, but internally everyone has different capabilities. Within the Lore, the suns rays were killing everything in all of Creation. To wave away that as a factor when it is the source of the entire conflict is poor writing.


Communicate effectively? With talking or telepathy or whatever they want. Or do it themselves, if they've got the stones for it.

The Gods within this universe are not known for effective communication because of their independence and strong egos. Since what I said seemed to confuse you, that was what I was referring too. The entire basis of this worlds conflict and massive war was the Gods not communicating or working together well. At all. Infact, it caused horrible devastation and loss of life, marring the world literally forever. That horrible conflict happened after all of this was resolved.

I dont believe I suggested it would be easy, in fact I said the direct opposite several times, my words were "No harder than forcing a different rogue god from doing harm on purpose", and I later said "certainly difficult". Simple, does not mean easy.

How would they get up to reach him? With their... god powers? "*Whoosh sound*, behold, Godguy stands before you, in middair, ready to wrastle."

What would they do to him? Hit him? You might ask "How could you approach Vaad without being blasted by his sweltering brain magic?" the most direct answer being "shield yourself with something or tank the hit and then drop kick him over the horizon"


Your vernacular doesn't support your point at all, so I apologize if I didn't understand what you had meant because of it.

A battle between peers is always a perilous encounter, and doubly so when the adversary is not well known. It seems fairly reasonable that the Birb-god kind of god stuck on the back-foot in a difficult to break cycle in this struggle, having to save up her strength during the night and cover for her mortals during the day. It's further not beyond reason that no one wanted to be the first one to leap into the fray against something equally strong to themselves, for long enough for the problem to solve itself.

Unfortunately your central point reduces all of the limitless options of this scenario to "everyone was too spooked to save the world". It also asserts that everyone in the Pantheon refused to do anything about the world being literally burned away just because they were kinda squeamish about fighting him. This is false; multiple Gods took actions to counter the Sun God and his devestations. All of those are pointless within your line of logic, since instead they should've just challenged him to an anime battle and fairly easily by the events importance(Comparatively mundane, considering how many times Gods fought during the Wars) beat him up.

My central point is that your statements ignore the internal logistics of such an important undertaking; it was probably a big event and had more of a solution going on than "ambigious god man flies up and punches him until he stops". That's boring, and not internally consistent.

Edit: Also some of the Gods weren't awake at this point, which was a further complication. It was really early on when nobody had fought a God, had much experience in their own abilities, and everyone who woke up had just met. As I said in an earlier post.
 
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Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
I feel as though the Sun is indeed a powerful purview, logically speaking. Internally within the universe the Sun has been established as powerful by multiple people so far.
Well we're all powerful, and he was unconscious.

You don't seem to specify what God powers, beside very general statements. You're fighting a God of the Heavens in the Heavens. Do you think that is the optimal place for the God of Nature, for example? Not all Gods are the same, and that would definitely be a factor. Internal logic is important in shared writing projects to ensure a level of quality and fun for everyone involved.
What do you mean what god powers? The powers that we have, as gods. What, can these gods that can zap between godly realms and the real world not fly or teleport, except for, I guess, him?

Poseidon could teleport, and that had jack to do with the Ocean.

There is a difference between your Gods brain magic and a giant fireball in the sky killing the universe. At a meta level this is a shared writing project, but internally everyone has different capabilities. Within the Lore, the suns rays were killing everything in all of Creation. To wave away that as a factor when it is the source of the entire conflict is poor writing.
Direct me to the GM post saying that the Sun was some universal scale powerhouse beyond all of us, then. He's *a* god, not even being played by a GM, not even the previous king or the setting antagonist.

So no, until I see a GM statement to the contrary, there is not some vast difference between the destructive potential of the Sun God, Vaad, or any other combat or destructive power focused god. We're broad peers unless stated otherwise by the people running the game.

The Gods within this universe are not known for effective communication because of their independence and strong egos. Since what I said seemed to confuse you, that was what I was referring too. The entire basis of this worlds conflict and massive war was the Gods not communicating or working together well. At all. Infact, it caused horrible devastation and loss of life, marring the world literally forever. That horrible conflict happened after all of this was resolved.

So this paragraph is "If it took more than one person it might have been hard to coordinate" which... sure, that has nothing to do with what I said.

Your vernacular doesn't support your point at all, so I apologize if I didn't understand what you had meant because of it.
You were asking questions that seemed very odd to me.

Unfortunately your central point reduces all of the limitless options of this scenario to "everyone was too spooked to save the world". It also asserts that everyone in the Pantheon refused to do anything about the world being literally burned away just because they were kinda squeamish about fighting him. This is false; multiple Gods took actions to counter the Sun God and his devestations. All of those are pointless within your line of logic, since instead they should've just challenged him to an anime battle and fairly easily by the events importance(Comparatively mundane, considering how many times Gods fought during the Wars) beat him up.
Your central point reduces a plethora of practical reasons to "The sun was stronger than everyone but isnt now that he's awake", which I refuse to accept.

The premise is this: The sun was burning some stuff, some of the time, and no one had done anything about it by the time he stopped.

Your explanation: They did not act because they could not.
My explanation: They did not act because they chose not to for whatever reasons they had.


My explanation involves agency, your explanation requires supremacy.


You also keep saying I said it would be "easy" which is just untrue.
 

Reimu Hakurei

Fantasy Heaven
Well we're all powerful, and he was unconscious.
And was burning away the World.
What do you mean what god powers? The powers that we have, as gods. What, can these gods that can zap between godly realms and the real world not fly or teleport, except for, I guess, him?

Poseidon could teleport, and that had jack to do with the Ocean.
If you'll refer to the character application, there is a section on the Purview and specific areas a God has domain over. This creates strengths, weakness', and compatibility with other Gods. This is also something that has been used to establish dynamics between Gods throughout the roleplay.

It's important to keep those in mind when accounting for these conflicts. Some Gods are better at certain things or have different capabilities. Mushroom God can create diseases. Your God has psychic powers. I can create super items. That isn't to say we're limited to those abilities, but those are the domains we are literal Gods of and those specializations should have an impact on our fights.

The Solar Rays of the Sun are indeed hot, and probably would burn most Gods. Getting close could be an issue as a result. Perhaps there are Gods who have abilities that would make doing so much easier? Take a look at the list and think about that compatibility. This is the depth that makes roleplays fun!

Being Gods, there are certain things I imagine we can all do. That's so obvious it really shouldn't even be said.


Direct me to the GM post saying that the Sun was some universal scale powerhouse beyond all of us, then. He's *a* god, not even being played by a GM, not even the previous king or the setting antagonist.

So no, until I see a GM statement to the contrary, there is not some vast difference between the destructive potential of the Sun God, Vaad, or any other combat or destructive power focused god. We're broad peers unless stated otherwise by the people running the game.

That's not my responsibility, that's something you want. It's definitely not something that exists, and it has nothing to do with any of my points. It's purely a measurement you introduced yourself, and it's not really relevant to anything I said.

I only referred to the logic of a Sun God probably being strong and that other players have played with that and reinforced the notion. You've haven't really addressed either of those statements, and instead turned to the GMs- in a creative writing sandbox. It's somewhat in poor taste, and I think you should address the internal reasoning for the power levels you seem to have issues with(and many other players don't) and open a dialogue up about them instead of attempting to shut them down.

The central thesis of my argument isn't that the Sun is just 'stronger'; its not really all that relevant. It was that it was a complicated situation against a troublesome opponent. Our Gods were fresh, inexperienced, just born, and only a fraction of them were probably active at the time. A creative solution was probably required rather than a derp rush.

So this paragraph is "If it took more than one person it might have been hard to coordinate" which... sure, that has nothing to do with what I said.

It doesn't, it was just a core part of my greater core argument, which is what I care about. I don't really care about responding to what you say, debating things with you isn't my objective or anything. I just want to make it clear how this would've been an important lore event.

Your central point reduces a plethora of practical reasons to "The sun was stronger than everyone but isnt now that he's awake", which I refuse to accept.

You're free to refuse acceptance; that isn't my position. I'm saying that you're mundaning the event into "y'all should've just beat him up willy nilly' which you continually say just one God could've stopped the crisis easily. Not much of a crisis if that's the case. The Gods just let the world burn, again, because they were squeamish. You're asserting a lot for many other characters.

The premise is this: The sun was burning some stuff, some of the time, and no one had done anything about it by the time he stopped.

Your explanation: They did not act because they could not.
My explanation: They did not act because they chose not to for whatever reasons they had.


My explanation involves agency, your explanation requires supremacy.


You also keep saying I said it would be "easy" which is just untrue.

I do not hold the position that they could not act, just that it would be more difficult than a boring anime battle with a floating fireball. So to clarify- you are creating a position for me, then attacking it to defend your own. I hope that isn't intentional and just is a product of genuine miscommunication between us, where you aren't understanding my point.

It'd probably be a group effort, or some sort of clever or exceptional action- such as our bird blocking its rays, or the Moon removing him from half the day. Just because that'd much less boring and more mythological and interesting then 'Everyone beat up the sun'. My position is quite literally already whats happened within the shared narrative- something other people have already written.

What you're asserting is absolutely new, goes against it, and makes the entire scenario mundane and fairly boring.

Moreover, your explanation is the one that asserts what other peoples characters did. Again, I've stated it multiple times previously, but you're mundaning the actions of the other Gods and forcing them into squeamish inaction. The burden is on them to justify your vision(and justify their characters inaction) for an event you didn't even participate in.

I think I've gotten my point across well enough, so I don't really see a need to bother continuing this discussion. It's a shared narrative, so if you don't like what people have written about those events you don't have to be involved. I'd rather focus on the fresh IC and all the possibilities it opens up too us.
 
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Naga The Serpent

Well-known member
All I said was "someone could probably have fought him if they'd tried" about a character someone is playing, and someone (not the player) disagrees.

And instead of letting it stop there, you felt this burning need to prove that "Someone COULD have stopped the sun!"?

It seems like you care a lot about this matter, especially since literally nobody else bothered to care about it prior.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
And was burning away the World.
Thats great, I guess that means everyone is capable of damaging the planet, which makes sense, considering we were supposed to have participated in a war that nearly destroyed the planet.

If you'll refer to the character application, there is a section on the Purview and specific areas a God has domain over. This creates strengths, weakness', and compatibility with other Gods. This is also something that has been used to establish dynamics between Gods throughout the roleplay.

It's important to keep those in mind when accounting for these conflicts. Some Gods are better at certain things or have different capabilities. Mushroom God can create diseases. Your God has psychic powers. I can create super items. That isn't to say we're limited to those abilities, but those are the domains we are literal Gods of and those specializations should have an impact on our fights.
None of this is particularly relevant to anything I said, considering I'm directly comparing combat focused gods.

That's not my responsibility, that's something you want. It's definitely not something that exists, and it has nothing to do with any of my points. It's purely a measurement you introduced yourself, and it's not really relevant to anything I said.

I only referred to the logic of a Sun God probably be strong and that other players have played with that and reinforced the notion. You've haven't really addressed either of those statements, and instead turned to the GMs- in a creative writing sandbox. It's somewhat in poor taste, and I think you should address the internal reasoning for the power levels you seem to have issues with(and many other players don't) and open a dialogue up about them instead of attempting to shut them down.
If you're going to insist that no one could do anything to challenge a character, you better have a GM statement to back that up, because I absolutely do not accept it.

Therefore, if he COULD be challenged, and he WASNT, that means people must have chosen not to. Obviously.

It doesn't, it was just a core part of my greater core argument, which is what I care about. I don't really care about responding to what you say, debating things with you isn't my objective or anything. I just want to make it clear how this would've been an important lore event.
If you're not interested in debating the point feel free to stop responding and either stating or implying I'm saying things I havent.


You're free to refuse acceptance; that isn't my position. I'm saying that you're mundaning the event into "y'all should've just beat him up willy nilly' which you continually say just one God could've stopped the crisis easily. Not much of a crisis if that's the case. The Gods just let the world burn, again, because they were squeamish. You're asserting a lot for many other characters.
Yeah you can keep saying I said things I diddnt and you can keep being wrong.

Your answer flat out requires his superiority. You are absolutely occupying the territory of "No, they couldnt have chosen not to challenge him in direct combat, they had to be unable to." which is completely unreasonable.

I think I've gotten my point across well enough, so I don't really see a need to bother continuing this discussion. It's a shared narrative, so if you don't like what people have written about those events you don't have to be involved. I'd rather focus on the fresh IC and all the possibilities it opens up too us.


Yes so to be clear,

The Sun was burning some of the world.
The story as written does not account for anyone challenging him directly
You insist that they could not have, because if they could have but diddnt, this is "boring"
You continually insist that I claim it would be "easy" because some god, could, at some point, have challenged him directly.
 

Have You Seen My Son

Well-known member
:O

The IC is finally up! Yay! :D

I need to think of how Viv would have perhaps arrived, or such details at least, before i post. I do look forward to seeing what will go down at the feast though!
 

Reimu Hakurei

Fantasy Heaven
Oh right, the registry is almost done. I did a few write ups for people who didn't give me ones for their items. If they're not to your liking, you want to use your own, or just don't want one- Tell me and I'll remove or change it immediately. I just wanted to pretty everything up. A few people DID send in write ins, and kudos to you guys for making things easier on me.

I'll be mentioning those who haven't sent in any item concepts to me with the registries creation. There are only a few people who didn't ask for an item, so I'll stop bothering you guys after that.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
And instead of letting it stop there, you felt this burning need to prove that "Someone COULD have stopped the sun!"?

It seems like you care a lot about this matter, especially since literally nobody else bothered to care about it prior.
I mean, I literally did leave it at one statement, and someone disagreed, so I defended my position with a second post, and they disagreed again, and I defended further.

If... someone disagrees with you... you're supposed to defend your position. Obviously. And if they continue to contend, you further defend your position. This is like, basic human communication.
 

khatun

Well-known member
Oh right, the registry is almost done. I did a few write ups for people who didn't give me ones for their items. If they're not to your liking, you want to use your own, or just don't want one- Tell me and I'll remove or change it immediately. I just wanted to pretty everything up. A few people DID send in write ins, and kudos to you guys for making things easier on me.

I'll be mentioning those who haven't sent in any item concepts to me with the registries creation. There are only a few people who didn't ask for an item, so I'll stop bothering you guys after that.

Honestly I'm not sure what to ask for given Aiyami's current personality (and what she was like before.)

Is the registry threadmarked somewhere?
 

Reimu Hakurei

Fantasy Heaven
Honestly I'm not sure what to ask for given Aiyami's current personality (and what she was like before.)

Is the registry threadmarked somewhere?

Let me think on some recommendations but she has a lot of room for cool stuff. A Hades cap sort of deal immediately springs to mind.

There are items I can make while I was alive, and ones I could make while I was dead. I think given your Goddess' metamorphosis over the wars ending(kinda similar to my own in a way) it'd be cool if you had a normal item from before I died, and then a SPOOKY EVIL ONE from after I died.

The registry will be going up once I finish formatting it, within the next half hour or so. Up to the GMs if they wanna threadmark the thing.
 

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