WW2 finally ends.

Sixgun McGurk

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The WSJ reports that Trump is about to pull 10,000 troops of the 34,000 troops and 17,000 civilians that the US maintains in Germany for NATO. It looks like the president has decided to end the post war policy of making a military umbrella for a bunch of nations and people that are economically and politically pissing on us. I guess that when they went with Huawei they made their choice. I think that the cost/benefit of NATO long ago expired and I doubt if Soviet Hordes are going to come raping murdering and looting out of the East anytime soon. If we can do the same thing in Korea then things will be pretty groovy.
 
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The Soviet Union is gone, what exactly do we need troops in Germany for? To stop Russia? To prevent the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler from taking power?

I've always found the US troop presence in Germany after 1991 to be either a case of imperial hubris or something far dumber.
 

PsihoKekec

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Part of it is the American system of global reach, as during the Cold War they built a lot of infrastructure that is still usefull for the global dominance operations, for example Rammstein airbase was a common refueling point for Iraq and Assfuckistan flights and military hospitals there were often the first stop for the critically injured soldiers.
But the biggest reason is that the mental dinosaurs in Pentagon and State Department simply can't get Russian menace out of their hivemind.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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I think there's a little bit of strategy and a hell of a lot of corruption. As we've learned from the Ukranian antics of Creepy Joe and the bipartizan knee jerk anger at the idea of getting our people out of the assfuckistans, most foriegn aid gets laundered and ends up in certain pockets. It's damn near certain that a good percentage of those Cold War billions ended up as the family fortunes of people that are closely related to certain politicians. Smedly Butler had it exactly right. War is a racket and a lot of our beloved military heroes, especially the ones that we've heard of through the media as opposed to winning some victory, are deeply in on the financial aspects of the racket.
 

Zachowon

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That place is a vacation to anyone who gets sent there, i say good riddance! Make them go to state side where underage cant as easily drink, or Korea!
 

Es Arcanum

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Good on the USA. The Euros are more than capable of handling their own defence against the Russians. The Soviet Union days are long gone.

The USA would be silly to pull it's troops out of S. Korea though Sixgun. China could shape up to be the most dangerous rival the USA has faced since 1812. Having a ring of allies between the USA and China to act as forward bases and a barrier is just good sense.

Having South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Vietnam as US allies gives the USA a potent advantage in any war with China.
 

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Most of those troops will probably just move next door to Poland and that new Ft. Trump.

The Polish have not forgotten what it means to be stuck between Germany and Russia. The have also not forgotten how most of Europe let Germany and Russia divide them.

Germany and Merkel can sit and spin, because Poland hasn't lost its mind or balls.
 

Zachowon

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Good on the USA. The Euros are more than capable of handling their own defence against the Russians. The Soviet Union days are long gone.

The USA would be silly to pull it's troops out of S. Korea though Sixgun. China could shape up to be the most dangerous rival the USA has faced since 1812. Having a ring of allies between the USA and China to act as forward bases and a barrier is just good sense.

Having South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Vietnam as US allies gives the USA a potent advantage in any war with China.
Guam is a major air and naval base for the US, and we would suffocate Chinas economy before they do anything

The thing is multiple countries peoples want us out of there, some have reasonable people.

Most of those troops will probably just move next door to Poland and that new Ft. Trump.

The Polish have not forgotten what it means to be stuck between Germany and Russia. The have also not forgotten how most of Europe let Germany and Russia divide them.

Germany and Merkel can sit and spin, because Poland hasn't lost its mind or balls.
Poland is still used for rotational units, and Italy is another Euro base, and as far as I know, they love us.
 

Husky_Khan

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Yeah Rammstein Base was pretty important for its infrastructure and as a secure basing and transportation hub especially in regards to its support for the campaigns in the Middle East in regards to Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere as of late.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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I like the Poles, but what good has trying to be the Polish Savior ever done anyone? The Brits let the French dismember Germany and transfer territory to Poland and then declared war on Germany when the Germans made a deal with the Soviets to take it all back, along with everything else. That brilliant move cost them their Empire, their treasury and uncountable lives. For the Poles.

We don't have skin in that game except for the troops that we park there to enrich the thieves in Congress. We already attacked the Serbs at German behest and deeply angered Russia by breaking our word not to move NATO troops east. Our media is running a campaign against Russia, and fails to put its moves into context of the German driven NATO expansion. The USA does not trade with Poland, we need nothing from Poland or with Europe in general. Poland is a modern country fully capable of making the price of invasion too high and we do not need to be caught up in the ongoing German - EU aggression against the Russians. And we most definitely need to get our troops and nukes out of Turkey.

As for Korea, all of these alliances is how wars start in spite of no one wanting them. Like Poland, South Korea could tighten one last bolt and be invasion proof. Not one of those places is worth the men that we lost 'saving' them from the Reds and the idea of another conventional war in Asia is crazy. We need to be in our own territory behind our own defenses building our own future shackled to no one's agenda.
 

Sailor.X

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The running joke back when I was in whenever an Army Soldier or Air Force Airman would say they were stationed overseas was. So Sergeant which part of Germany did they send you. :p Because damn near all of their overseas duty was in Germany. With a few that went to South Korea.
 

Zachowon

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The running joke back when I was in whenever an Army Soldier or Air Force Airman would say they were stationed overseas was. So Sergeant which part of Germany did they send you. :p Because damn near all of their overseas duty was in Germany. With a few that went to South Korea.
It could be South korea, Italy, Poland, UK, Germany, Aus, or Japan. Not including the "Deployment" To Kuwait
 

Aaron Fox

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No, those bases are vital for the current geopolitical order of 'Trade or else' but then again a lot of this site don't believe that and would effectively cause the world to go Strangereal in the 'all the wars like clockwork' department. Then again, it isn't surprising since Trump loves Putin-Sempai enough to try to appease him...
 

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No, those bases are vital for the current geopolitical order of 'Trade or else' but then again a lot of this site don't believe that and would effectively cause the world to go Strangereal in the 'all the wars like clockwork' department. Then again, it isn't surprising since Trump loves Putin-Sempai enough to try to appease him...
Again with your weird obsession of bringing up Ace Combat as if it's some sort of weird world measure for conflict.

As for Trump, I may have mixed feelings for the man, but your standards of loving someone is strange if you think Trump's putting a military base in Poland signifies his undying love for Vladmir Putin.

Another thing I will debate is your presumption that those bases are used for 'trade or else' as I ask what people in Europe only trade with us because we have a gun to their face?
 
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ATP

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I like the Poles, but what good has trying to be the Polish Savior ever done anyone? The Brits let the French dismember Germany and transfer territory to Poland and then declared war on Germany when the Germans made a deal with the Soviets to take it all back, along with everything else. That brilliant move cost them their Empire, their treasury and uncountable lives. For the Poles.

We don't have skin in that game except for the troops that we park there to enrich the thieves in Congress. We already attacked the Serbs at German behest and deeply angered Russia by breaking our word not to move NATO troops east. Our media is running a campaign against Russia, and fails to put its moves into context of the German driven NATO expansion. The USA does not trade with Poland, we need nothing from Poland or with Europe in general. Poland is a modern country fully capable of making the price of invasion too high and we do not need to be caught up in the ongoing German - EU aggression against the Russians. And we most definitely need to get our troops and nukes out of Turkey.

As for Korea, all of these alliances is how wars start in spite of no one wanting them. Like Poland, South Korea could tighten one last bolt and be invasion proof. Not one of those places is worth the men that we lost 'saving' them from the Reds and the idea of another conventional war in Asia is crazy. We need to be in our own territory behind our own defenses building our own future shackled to no one's agenda.

I am from Poland.you have problems with Europe history.so:

1.After WW1 Poland do nt get german lands,but polish lands occupied by prussia and later germany.
2.Our HQ during WW2 was mostly idiots, but they manage hold almost all of german army in Poland.If France attacked, war would end in few months, maybe weeks.
3.two times Germany started war in Europe, and twice USA must send soldiers there.Now, they are in Germany to prevent them from starting WW3.
4.Poland is capable of defeating russian attack,but not combined russia/ germany attack, or use of H bombs - becouse we do not have them.So,USA must stay here till we get enough nukes to prevent Putin from attack.Becouse russian do not stop with genociding us, but create with Germany european empire which threaten USA.
FDR toss us to soviets, becouse he thought that they only massacre us.They did it,but later they planned starting WW3 and destroing USA.
5.EU means Germany,and Germany want alliance with Putin,not war.
6.Turkey decided to become new Ottoman empire - so here you are right.

But you are right - USA should think about USA interest.And precisely for that interests keep both Poland and South Korea safe.

P.S we like USA in Poland,but we remember how they gave us to soviets for nothing.FDR was idiot,allies should be sold,not given for free.
 

Zachowon

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I am from Poland.you have problems with Europe history.so:

1.After WW1 Poland do nt get german lands,but polish lands occupied by prussia and later germany.
2.Our HQ during WW2 was mostly idiots, but they manage hold almost all of german army in Poland.If France attacked, war would end in few months, maybe weeks.
3.two times Germany started war in Europe, and twice USA must send soldiers there.Now, they are in Germany to prevent them from starting WW3.
4.Poland is capable of defeating russian attack,but not combined russia/ germany attack, or use of H bombs - becouse we do not have them.So,USA must stay here till we get enough nukes to prevent Putin from attack.Becouse russian do not stop with genociding us, but create with Germany european empire which threaten USA.
FDR toss us to soviets, becouse he thought that they only massacre us.They did it,but later they planned starting WW3 and destroing USA.
5.EU means Germany,and Germany want alliance with Putin,not war.
6.Turkey decided to become new Ottoman empire - so here you are right.

But you are right - USA should think about USA interest.And precisely for that interests keep both Poland and South Korea safe.

P.S we like USA in Poland,but we remember how they gave us to soviets for nothing.FDR was idiot,allies should be sold,not given for free.
You have American and European history wrong. Following World War 2, we had base in Germany to prevent Russia from managing to push towards Paris should they ever try. we are not putting a base in Poland, bigger base that is, because Poland is closer to Russia, and Germany is pushing America out since we have no need to be there anymore.
We are not there to prevent Germany, but were there to prevent Russia. We are still there as it has become just another base for US troops in the front against Russia. Same with Italy.
 

LifeisTiresome

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I love how people who cry about how evil and Imperialistic the US is for having bases and troops in other countries and so on. And yet now turn around and say said troops need to stay cause "Muh Russia!"
 

Zachowon

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I love how people who cry about how evil and Imperialistic the US is for having bases and troops in other countries and so on. And yet now turn around and say said troops need to stay cause "Muh Russia!"
We are moving from Germany, where we are no longer needed to Poland.
 

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