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Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Those were VAERS numbers...

Do we really need to go over the problem with those again?


Repeat after me.

Correlation does not imply causation.

What is the problem with VAERS numbers exactly? And as pointed out: The fact there was no follow up, and the paralysis was written off as abdominal pain is EXTREMELY sus. That implies a cover up and/or negligence to the point of parody. Also there is the fact of the 90yos who got the booster who had all deaths be on the group who took the booster and none on the placebo control which is hella sus as well.
 

Vaermina

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What is the problem with VAERS numbers exactly? And as pointed out: The fact there was no follow up, and the paralysis was written off as abdominal pain is EXTREMELY sus. That implies a cover up and/or negligence to the point of parody. Also there is the fact of the 90yos who got the booster who had all deaths be on the group who took the booster and none on the placebo control which is hella sus as well.
The CDC gives a short breakdown.


As to the "booster deaths", putting aside that Steve Kirsch is a well know hard core anti-vax liar, those slides on that timestamp weren't about 90 year olds on boosters, they were about >16 year olds, and the trial size, which I will note you conveniently forgot to mention, and Steve conveniently made sure wasn't in the slide, was 43,847.

Which, in case you don't understand how statistics work, means the 6 more deaths in the Vaccine group were a complete nothing burger. Because statistics always have an uncertain +/- percentage to them.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
Consider this: the earliest treatment (variolation) for smallpox was a live pathogen treatment which was capable of causing infectious epidemic breakouts on its own. It was quite literally intentionally infecting people with a minimally weakened dose of actual smallpox (because they didn't know how to weaken it any better than that) and hope they "only" got a mild case -- which "worked" in the sense that variolation had a death rate of roughly five to ten percent, whereas wild-type smallpox had a mortality rate of sixteen to thirty percent (with some especially virulent outbreaks reporting as high as sixty percent).

Jenner's cowpox-based vaccination had vastly higher survival rates, but because vaccination samples were often contaminated with actual smallpox during use in the utterly unhygenic hospitals and medical clinics of the day, which meant that for a substantial amoutn of time it was legitimately debated whether or not it actually was better. Moreover, many people claimed religious and philosophical objections to the cowpox vaccination because it was made with animal material and thus unclean.

This was settled by legislative force: Parliament banned variolation in 1840, making cowpox vaccination the only permitted treatment for smallpox, and then made cowpox vaccination compulsory in 1853. The United States did it even earlier; Massachusetts mandated cowpox vaccination almost as soon as it was invented, in 1809, and other states followed suit. SCOTUS didn't rule on the constitutionality of such mandates until the previously cited case in 1905, but the actual mandates were in force much, much earlier than that. And the ultimate eradication of smallpox, first in the West and then globally, relied on literal door-to-door universal vaccination programs.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
The CDC gives a short breakdown.


As to the "booster deaths", putting aside that Steve Kirsch is a well know hard core anti-vax liar, those slides on that timestamp weren't about 90 year olds on boosters, they were about >16 year olds, and the trial size, which I will note you conveniently forgot to mention, and Steve conveniently made sure wasn't in the slide, was 43,847.

Which, in case you don't understand how statistics work, means the 6 more deaths in the Vaccine group were a complete nothing burger. Because statistics always have an uncertain +/- percentage to them.

I am willing to accept the data isn't fool proof but none of thag explains why the Pfizer trials had numbers gamed or why a 12yo being paralyzed was completly ignored and written off as abdominal pain.

Your attack on Steve Krisch is pointless, the data speaks not the man. And the entire video is data. The speaker right before Steve points out that the data about Myocarditis just doesn't exist for anyone to claim it isn't a problem and more reseach is needed before the possibility is rules out. I have no doubt that if we watch the entire video more and more facts and data like this will pile up.

Again: this hearing made the FDA block the boosters for under 65 and some people quit demanding boosters not be allowed at all. Given they were OK with the vaccines in the first place that is a sign there is something big here.
 

Vaermina

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I am willing to accept the data isn't fool proof but none of thag explains why the Pfizer trials had numbers gamed or why a 12yo being paralyzed was completly ignored and written off as abdominal pain.
Because it wasn't ignored or written off as abdominal pain.

The mother reported that it began as abdominal pain, not that doctors wrote it off as such, and as it progressed the girl saw multiple doctors, all who agreed that it wasn't vaccine caused and instead diagnosed her with functional neurologic symptom disorder.

Your attack on Steve Krisch is pointless, the data speaks not the man. And the entire video is data. The speaker right before Steve points out that the data about Myocarditis just doesn't exist for anyone to claim it isn't a problem and more reseach is needed before the possibility is rules out. I have no doubt that if we watch the entire video more and more facts and data like this will pile up.

Again: this hearing made the FDA block the boosters for under 65 and some people quit demanding boosters not be allowed at all. Given they were OK with the vaccines in the first place that is a sign there is something big here.
The Data speaks, when it's accurate, and Steve Krisch has a history of falsifying and misrepresenting data.

Like I just showed he attempted to do in my last post.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Because it wasn't ignored or written off as abdominal pain.

The mother reported that it began as abdominal pain, not that doctors wrote it off as such, and as it progressed the girl saw multiple doctors, all who agreed that it wasn't vaccine caused and instead diagnosed her with functional neurologic symptom disorder.

You got a source for that claim it is not vaccine related? How do you even know that? You would think the study would mention it at least, or that Pfizer would stick a few doctors to monitor her condition so they can come back and say "yep not the vaxx it was XYZ thing" on the study about it.

Also your explanation of why VAERS "isn't trustworthy" on the CDC site basically boils down to "this only monitors side effects and problems but isn't a comprehensive representation so it doesn't always account for other factors that could contribute to the problem" which comes off as a very round about way to say "this is preliminary data" which means it is still trustworthy to be used to demand actual in depth studies and analysis be made.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Doctors agreeing that it wasn't vaccine caused doesn't mean anything when pharma companies who produce Puberty Blockers have been sued for bribing doctors to be pro grooming and lying to the parents of their patients to push trooning children.

Our institutions are so badly corrupted its safer to be anti academic and hostile to modern science than it is not to be now a days sadly.

Doctors will lie and its entirely possible many that do on either side are pushing an agenda or are paid to lie.
 
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The One Char

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Doctors agreeing that it wasn't vaccine caused doesn't mean anything when pharma companies who produce Puherty Blockers have been sued for bribing doctors to be pro grooming and lying to the parents.of their patients to push trooning children.

Our institutions are so badly corrupted its safer to be anti academic and hostile to modern science than it is not to be now a days sadly.

Doctors will lie and its entirely possible many that do on either side are pushing an agenda or are paid to lie.
So, cigarettes again? Because this isn't the first time it happened.
 

Lord Sovereign

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You know, I think a good chunk of those scare stories about Astra Zeneca were motivated both by financial gain on the part of big pharma, and a political tantrum by the European Union. Can't let a vaccine made at cost and easy to store undercut your profits.

And it looks to be turning out AZ was not only more effective but safer as well.
 

Vaermina

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You got a source for that claim it is not vaccine related? How do you even know that? You would think the study would mention it at least, or that Pfizer would stick a few doctors to monitor her condition so they can come back and say "yep not the vaxx it was XYZ thing" on the study about it.
The mother had her daughter examined by multiple doctors.

And the worst thing she has to say about the actual vaccine trial is that they are following proper procedure and refusing to release to them a list of reported symptoms.

Also your explanation of why VAERS "isn't trustworthy" on the CDC site basically boils down to "this only monitors side effects and problems but isn't a comprehensive representation so it doesn't always account for other factors that could contribute to the problem" which comes off as a very round about way to say "this is preliminary data" which means it is still trustworthy to be used to demand actual in depth studies and analysis be made.
You forgot two points.

It involves self reported information and doesn't include clinical follow ups to the people claiming symptoms.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
The mother had her daughter examined by multiple doctors.

And the worst thing she has to say about the actual vaccine trial is that they are following proper procedure and refusing to release to them a list of reported symptoms.


You forgot two points.

It involves self reported information and doesn't include clinical follow ups to the people claiming symptoms.


That still sound incredibly sus. The doctors they talked to say they don't know what caused it, the two hypothesis they come up with don't say it wasn't the vaccine though because again we don't know. She also mentions how the Pfizer people have done jack shit to help or follow up, which again I say is very sus as they would likely want to be extremely sure.

As for your second point, I reiterate that it is still something that should be looked into. These "self reports", are they literally someone just going on their computer and reporting what happened, or do these self reports have some sort of proof required as you would expect from a system like this? I would expect at least a doctor's signature on these reports or people uploading doctor's notes to report.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Only tangentially related to the issue, but now that Nicki MInaj has been market a enemy of the narrative the memes have evolved and NICKI MINAJ FANS HAVE DISCOVERED VAUSH!

And it was as insane and glorious as you might imagine.




They are ripping Vaush a new one. They have 0 patience with him and his retarded dialectic and debate tactics. It's poetic.
 

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