China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Zachowon]

Holy shit dude, stop being a fucking pussy.

~200,000,000 people have been vaccinated already. If there was a significant amount of risk or death, there'd be millions of sick and dying people right now. So far, the US has attributed ~660,000 deaths to COVID. So explain to me the fucking logic here. You're rolling your eyes at 600k deaths, but thus far, you've yet to produce similar rates for the vaccines. If even 1% of the vaccinated population had died or suffered serious illness, that'd be 2,000,000 people. That's not exactly something the Feds can just stash under the bed.

So tell me. What is the claimed death rate or massive illness that this vaccine can cause? 1%? 10%? Give me a fucking number. Because thus far I've been told a various amount of bullshit from fucking manbabies insisting that this virus will assrape them, but thus far, you don't have jack shit to show for it. What's the number of people who got fucked over for the vaccine? 10%? 1%?

Give me a number.

Or are you shitting the bed because 3 people died from blood clots related to the J&J formula? Because I got that one. Not dead yet. Feel perfectly fine. Got it back in May.

Okay, Sixth, you sound like a crazy person, and that is coming from someone who has seen plenty.

For one, let's go ahead and let the notion that at least half those numbers of deaths are misguided and not actually COVID. Remeber at the start how quickly the numbers rose, and then slowed drastically even with the rioting? Because the numbers were no longer inflated.

I would say MAYBE 400k have died from the virus, in what equates to a flu season and a half.

Yet, they don't look at it in seasons, they don't look at it in how one would normally.
They decided to tactic of using overall would be a better fear mongering.

COVID may kill 2 million people over 3 years. If that, since it barley killed according to you. 660k in almost two years now, and I remeber jt hitting 500k in the US LADT YEAR before I left Korea.

The vaccine is untested long term, and though I don't think so, people seem to think they are hiding the numbers of those actually to make it seem like the Vaccine is perfectly fine and few deaths hapoend because of medical issues. Though we have seen 13 year old kids die from it, and plenty if healthy people.

The US Military though as far as I knkw have yet to have a single vaccine death (some people claim, once again, hiding the numbers)

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The black death and spanish flu are coronaviruses like Covid? You retard.

No coronavirus has ever killed more than 5% of a mammalian species. Ever, not in nearly 60 million years.

Much less 20-45% of the population. I don't know what the fuck this fool was smoking.

By freeing them and doing nothing else, duh. How would you react if all of a sudden there were a million-plus homeless, jobless people? Probably really stupidly and in a short-sighted manner.

This is honestly a good point, while slavery was an abomination the manner in which they were liberated created a human rights crisis that we are still dealing with nearly two centuries later.

 

[Vaermina]

And then, just like that, Nick Minaj went from feminist hero to alt-right.

That's what's called "Nicki Minai is an idiot".

I mean seriously... Anyone who would buy such a stupid "the covid vaccine did it!" excuse for what was obviously an STD the guy got cheating on his Fiancee shouldn't be allowed out in public.

 

[sir_fire]

No, it wasn't a bad thing. It was the right thing to do.

Against enemies of the state? But who's job is it to decide who and what are the enemies of the state retard?

And thus far, the argument of it being dangerous is pathetic. I can't even get an answer on whether or not the one site linked to me is only American sourced or globally sourced.

The Delta variant you retard. The kind that predominantly affects the vaccinated.

 

[Zachowon]

And more strawmanning...


You might wanna look up "why" those hospital ships didn't get a lot of use...

So, reading what Sorbek said, I do not trust the NYT. Now if it was the NYPost? Then sure. I would believe you.

The Hospital ships where there specifically FOR COVID. Not to deal with people who are positive but have other issues, or have other issues comepeltly. The US Hospital Ship Comfort would be better then most hospitals in that regard as well. Taking in strictly COVID to make cross contamination from happening.

So, why wernt they used for COVID if the hospitals were overrun?
Why did Cuomo pjt people with COVID in nursing homes if they had a hospital ship?

I need answers besides a NYT article that is behind a paywall

And then, just like that, Nick Minaj went from feminist hero to alt-right



Edit: Literally the Bell Curve meme coming real

Was it an American vax or another one.
I have yet to see any studies from the US vax saying they make one impotent

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The Delta variant you retard. The kind that predominantly affects the vaccinated.

75% of infected and 80% of the dead.

Almost as if, shoddy, rushed vaccines designed in part by the men who made the virus at the behest of Beijing are going to...open doors for mutations.

 

[Typhonis]

Does anyone have anything on this?

 

[Terthna]

I just have one question for you

Are you being paid to be an idiot?

No; he's just really stubborn, and doesn't want to believe that things are as bad as they are.

 

[sir_fire]

No; he's just really stubborn, and doesn't want to believe that things are as bad as they are.

Could've fooled me, cause if he was doing this for free...

 

[Vaermina]

Oh Jesus it's at a million and a half now? I thought it was still in the tens of thousands for reports.

Deathtolls up too!

Yeah we need army doctors shoving this in our arms Ns the loss of our rights and freedoms and to be murdered by hospital administrators over this. Totally.

No actually it's not...

VAERS reports alone generally cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Some reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. VAERS reports often lack contextual information, such as total vaccinations given or information on unvaccinated groups for comparison. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they may be subject to biases. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

In fact, VAERS cannot actually be used in the way the website posted is attempting to. IE as a statistical representation that those things happened.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

No actually it's not...

VAERS reports alone generally cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Some reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. VAERS reports often lack contextual information, such as total vaccinations given or information on unvaccinated groups for comparison. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they may be subject to biases. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

In fact, VAERS cannot actually be used in the way the website posted is attempting to. IE as a statistical representation that those things happened.

I doubt Sunhawk posted it as a statistical representation and more so the information could be available to be used or dismissed however people wish too.

 

[LordSunhawk]

Note that just a few years ago the same CDC that is saying the above was promoting VAERS as proof of vaccine safety in the face of the anti-vaxxer crowd.

But I agree, as it is self-reported take the data with a grain of salt and appropriate skepticism, the same skepticism I would recommend towards any data source that is provided for any argument. Evaluate it based on your own observations, your own knowledge, and the level of trust you place in the source.

But do not say that there are no sources.

 

[Vaermina]

The vaccine is untested long term

Long term for a vaccine is 1-2 months.

 

[Zachowon]

Long term for a vaccine is 1-2 months.

Oh?
Then why did Anthrax vax take so long to be FDA approved, years after it was made?

 

[Guy of Z]

Normally, you'd be right. The problem with COVID however, is that it's highly mutable. Right now, the real issue is Delta. It's several times more communicable than the original COVID, bypasses natural immunity, and I think it's deadlier (though not as some of the other variants). So with Delta, you can catch it again and again and again. Throwing in the vaccines into the mix with only about half the population vaccinated creates the risk that you end up breeding a stronger and deadlier variant.

This is the same issue that played out in places like Brazil and India. A strong, healthy young population mixed with an older population allowed the virus to breed and mutate, creating stronger strains of the original virus.

That's the danger. Not that you'll get the vaccinated sick, but that you'll create an even deadlier strain. Said strain might be able to adapt to our vaccines, thereby putting us all at square one or--it creates a virus that is about ten times deadlier. Which means the vaccines are basically cancelled out, while those without the vaccine are 10x more likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID. In addition to it being several times more communicable than the base virus.

There is no nightmare scenario yet. Or even proof that one will most assuredly happen. But I think one might understand why policy makers and doctors would prefer that everyone who is able to get their shots, because we MIGHT end up creating an actual nightmare scenario.

Viruses weaken as they mutate

Feth your fear industrial complex shit

 

[LordSunhawk]

Several facts. 1889, the Russian Flu, now known to be a bovine coronavirus based on a review of symptoms and genetic tracing of the bovine coronavirus that is now in the human population, killed over a million people in the United States alone between 1889 and 1890, including Blessed Fr Michael J McGivney (the founder of the Knights of Columbus).

That virus today, after over a 130 years of mutations, no vaccines at all... is the third most common vector for the common cold.

 

[Marduk]

Whether or not natural immunity aids you in fighting off a variant or later strains/infections, it doesn't change the fact that you will benefit from getting it. Even if we dismiss the argument of natural immunity vs vaccines in favor of natural immunity, that still puts people in the hospital, it can still overwhelm hospital capacity, and it can lead to more deaths.

And those, in bulk quantities that can overwhelm hospitals, always came from demographics that can't brag about their natural immunity. Those who did have reasons to brag about natural immunity are more of a rarity in hospitals, that for PR reasons gets highlighted the moment media find one.

Ultimately it boils down to risk calculation. The benefit of vaccine ranges from absolutely massive (if, say, you are a fat 80 year old smoker with several chronic diseases) to practically zero (if you are a healthy teenager).
Meanwhile, the risks we are weighting against are, to some degree, unknown. We know of some minor risks, we are only about to find out about the very long term ones. There could be something there, could also turn out its a nothingburger. But until then, we have only more or less trustworthy theories.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Several facts. 1889, the Russian Flu, now known to be a bovine coronavirus based on a review of symptoms and genetic tracing of the bovine coronavirus that is now in the human population, killed over a million people in the United States alone between 1889 and 1890, including Blessed Fr Michael J McGivney (the founder of the Knights of Columbus).

That virus today, after over a 130 years of mutations, no vaccines at all... is the third most common vector for the common cold.

It also created a bunch of schizophrenics and other mentally ill people. Which is one of the nastier and lesser known but rare side effects of coronaviruses.

Rare, potent but exceedingly rare.

Viruses weaken as they mutate

Feth your fear industrial complex shit

Fear industrial complex, I like this. Its very apt.

 

[Vaermina]

Oh?

Then why did Anthrax vax take so long to be FDA approved, years after it was made?

Long story short, because the clinical trial data on which its licensing decisions were largely based included too few cases of inhalational anthrax to show clearly that the vaccine prevented the disease.

 

[Sobek]

I am sure nothing similar would happen with the brand new techniques of the Covid vaccines right?