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COVID Origin Report to Congress 2022

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did you notice that some newspapers are calling for a covid amesty where their actions done during covid should be forgiven?

There was no apology in that call by the way, it was basically a demand to be forgiven.

That was the Atlantic:

Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty

Let’s focus on the future, and fix the problems we still need to solve.

www.theatlantic.com

Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - The Atlantic

archived 1 Nov 2022 15:56:57 UTC

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People's responses were hilarious.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Bassoe]

People's responses were hilarious.

Why we shouldn't just 'forgive and forget' the Covid authoritarians

Emily Oster argues for amnesty in The Atlantic, here's why 'we made a mistake' won't cut it.

meghanmurphy.substack.com

 

[Cherico]

Why we shouldn't just 'forgive and forget' the Covid authoritarians

Emily Oster argues for amnesty in The Atlantic, here's why 'we made a mistake' won't cut it.

meghanmurphy.substack.com

Pretty much my feelings fucking over the entire world wreaking the economy and then demanding not asking to be forgiven but demanding....yeah my feeling is pretty much get fucked.

 

[Typhonis]

Pretty much my feelings fucking over the entire world wreaking the economy and then demanding not asking to be forgiven but demanding....yeah my feeling is pretty much get fucked.

I will forgive them. AFTER they do proper penance.

 

[Rocinante]

I will forgive them. AFTER they do proper penance.

Yeah, I'm even iffy about that.

They want forgiveness, but we know that given the opportunity, they'd do it all again. From the every day mask Karen all the way up the the president, these people were giddy and excited to play fascist for a while.

They'll do it again as soon as an opportunity presents itself.

Yet they demand forgiveness without even apologizing. It's telling that the one example of the "other side," in that article was based on a lie that the media had to run a campaign to stop people from injecting bleach. Anyone paying attention knows Trump never seriously suggested that people inject themselves with bleach. He made an offhand comment while riffing during a speech. We all watched that.

No, 99% of this shit came from one side of the political spectrum. I can even see some forgiveness for the very beginning of the pandemic. However, by May/June, there is no excuse. If you were paying attention to anything other than social media and left wing news, you knew better. The info was out there, and you just didn't want to hear it.

It was one side pushing to keep small business closed while allowing mega corps to thrive. One side keeping your kids out of school. One side forcing you to wear masks. One side trying to force you to undergo an experimental medical procedure if you want to keep your job. One side running a massive censorship campaign and hiding the real science. It was one side hiding information about the efficacy of alternative treatments and one side trying to stop red states from receiving treatments that are proven to work, like monoclonal antibodies.

No. No forgiveness from me. They aren't even sorry.

I remember. I will not forget. I have had friendships ruined over this, and it wasn't me who scrapped those friendships. Those people are dead to me. I know who they really are now, and covid exposed them for their true, tyrannical, fascist selves.

They can all get fucked.

 

[Scottty]

I will forgive them. AFTER they do proper penance.

Penance?
How about Restitution?
Think of all the people who has businesses that were shut down over this. All of those losses must be made good, at the expense of the people who imposes the shutdown on them.
Then we can start on all the health costs due to "vaccine" side effects.

 

[LordsFire]

I am willing to let bygones be bygones, as soon as every one of them admits they have proven themselves unfit for any position of power and influence, and resign from said positions.

Once they're just another average citizen with no particular power to screw up everybody else's life, I'm willing to potentially extend some trust again.

 

[Typhonis]

Penance?
How about Restitution?
Think of all the people who has businesses that were shut down over this. All of those losses must be made good, at the expense of the people who imposes the shutdown on them.
Then we can start on all the health costs due to "vaccine" side effects.

Penance can include restitution, resigning from your position of power, voluntary jail time, and other fun things.

 

[Jormungandr]

Huh, so all of us "conspiracy nuts" that were actively and passively persecuted by pretty much every government and major corporation, as well as friends and family, turned out to be right. Again.

Wow. Much shock. So unexpected!

And now these cunts want an amnesty? They can fuck off and die.

 

[Rocinante]

Huh, so all of us "conspiracy nuts" that were actively and passively persecuted by pretty much every government and major corporation, as well as friends and family, turned out to be right. Again.

Wow. Much shock. So unexpected!

And now these cunts want an amnesty? They can fuck off and die.

The maddening part is they aren't apologizing, and trying to play it off as both sides needing to forgive one another.

Sorry, but only one side went fascist with this. The other side was trying to protect our freedom, and we owe no one an apology for it.

One side doesn't need to Apologize, and the other won't.

No amnesty for them. Fuck off.

 

[Zyobot]

Ah, yes, the much-wanted "Covid Amnesty" I've been hearing about.

Quoting myself from January:

Genuine dumb, or bad-faith argument on his part?

In either case, I really hope these people don't start giving finger-waving lectures on the virtues of "unity" or "forgiveness" once this is over. All while ignoring their own culpability and the sheer, irreparable damage their partisan ignorance and hypocritical simping for the same Establishment they once claimed to oppose wrecked. Sadly, I fear I'm wrong about that.

Turns I was wrong, though in hindsight, I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised. 🤷

Oh, and while we're at it, I wonder what they'd say if some neocon pundit called for an "Iraq Amnesty" to forgive Bush, the military-industrial complex, and all the Iraq War cheerleaders who fell for lies and destabilized the Middle East? After all, they could've easily used the same excuses this chick parroted here, albeit with a more "patriotic" spin about how we need to "Rally around the flag!" in times of crises.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Just gunna leave these here.

 

[Zyobot]

Penance can include restitution, resigning from your position of power, voluntary jail time, and other fun things.

Yeah, but other than being a “tit-for-tat” retaliation against the Covid tyrants, voluntary jail time means the rest of us will still foot the bill for the costs of imprisoning them — food, housing, guards' salaries, more prison construction, the works — and therefore, does the opposite of compensate those whose lives and livelihoods the lockdowns destroyed.

Why we shouldn't just 'forgive and forget' the Covid authoritarians

Emily Oster argues for amnesty in The Atlantic, here's why 'we made a mistake' won't cut it.

meghanmurphy.substack.com

I love how one fella in the comment section is just being a concern troll who lectures the other posters about how “If Rwandan genocide victims can forgive and move on, you should, too — and you’re a sad and petty person if you can’t!”

Of course, they forget that it’s possible to forgive while also insisting that perpetrators be held accountable, rather like how — to offer a counterexample that also involves genocide victims — Holocaust survivors who forgive the SS men can also support long prison sentences and war reparations. What they also ignore is how the author of the original article not only called for Covid Amnesty, but even rewrote history by insisting that “We didn’t know!” and “It seemed right at the time!” — when, in fact, those paying attention did know and got pilloried mercilessly for knowing. And that conflation of “forgiveness and moving on” with “forgetting and no consequences” is very dangerous, and will only embolden future bad behavior in the same way that victor’s justice left Stalin with a free hand to perpetuate Soviet oppression and atrocities after the war, without Nuremberg to put a stop to it.

 

[Scottty]

While you folks are probably quite right in thinking that the people who are asking for "Amnesty" are not sorry at all about what they did, but merely wanting to get away with having done it despite their false narrative collapsing... at least they are starting to tacitly admit that said narrative was false, and that the skeptics, the deniers, the vaccine resisters, the "conspiracy theorists" and so on... were right all along!

What I'd expected was that they would either continue to double down on the "Covid is a megaplague of doom from which only Captain Vaccine can save us" thing right to the end... or do a sort of Orwellian pivot where they would shamelessly deny ever having pushed for the measures they did.

 

[Zyobot]

While you folks are probably quite right in thinking that the people who are asking for "Amnesty" are not sorry at all about what they did, but merely wanting to get away with having done it despite their false narrative collapsing... at least they are starting to tacitly admit that said narrative was false, and that the skeptics, the deniers, the vaccine resisters, the "conspiracy theorists" and so on... were right all along!

What I'd expected was that they would either continue to double down on the "Covid is a megaplague of doom from which only Captain Vaccine can save us" thing right to the end... or do a sort of Orwellian pivot where they would shamelessly deny ever having pushed for the measures they did.

Then... how would they explain all the lockdowns and vaccine mandates, seeing as they were the ones in charge when those happened?

 

[Rocinante]

Then... how would they explain all the lockdowns and vaccine mandates, seeing as they were the ones in charge when those happened?

"We were always against that you fucking conspiracy theorists"

And then have social media ban and fact check anyone who says otherwise.

Man, Elon buying Twitter really is a big deal.

 

[Zyobot]

"We were always against that you fucking conspiracy theorists"

They were literally in power when those happened, though...

And then have social media ban and fact check anyone who says otherwise.

Man, Elon buying Twitter really is a big deal.

Hey, they can ban and "fact-check" all they want, but they can't stop more and more people from waking up, seeing as the lies they tell in times of crisis get more and more obvious with each generation. You were around for Iraq, weren't you?

 

[Rocinante]

They were literally in power when those happened, though...



Hey, they can ban and "fact-check" all they want, but they can't stop more and more people from waking up, seeing as the lies they tell in times of crisis get more and more obvious with each generation. You were around for Iraq, weren't you?

Look, I was being somewhat hyperbolic and joking around a little, but the point is that they blatantly lie regularly, and their base eats it up. Regardless of what fbey do, roughly 50% of the country still votes for them every few years anyways.

I do think we are going to see an utterly historic red wave in the house and squeak out a majority in the senate next week, though.

Also I really do think Elon buying Twitter is HUGE. They finally fact checked the white house.

I'd rather there not be fact checks, but if they're actually going to apply them evenly, I can live with that. It puts a big barrier in the way of their propaganda. They've been able to spew whatever lies they want with no retribution, while the right gets dinged for telling the truth. No more.

 

[Scottty]

Then... how would they explain all the lockdowns and vaccine mandates, seeing as they were the ones in charge when those happened?

We are already seeing them claim that everyone who took any of the vaccines "did so voluntarily".
And do you think it past them to deny that there were ever any lockdowns?
I didn't say it would work, or make sense.

"Well yes, your honor, I did point a pistol at his head and say 'your money or your life', but I didn't actually do anything to him. No, he took out his wallet and handed it to me of his own free will."