China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Lord Sovereign]

Well, it's heartening to know that the people around you have more compassion and common sense. Here's hoping that it'll rub off on you a little. I mean, do you really think you're so much smarter than all of them?

Common sense? Says the chap who doesn't seem to see much wrong in giving unprecedented powers to the state that haven't been seen even in wartime. Neither the Luftwaffe or Cromwell shut the pubs in Britain, but this wet fart of a Sars outbreak managed it.

 

[Megadeath]

Because those recommendations have oft contradicted the understanding of things or the facts of the situation in service of a 'target' or goal they have in mind. As seen with the expansion of vaccines to teenagers, the required masking of teenagers in school, or the percentage-of-population goal of the CDC for vaccine deployment to reach a level of immunity that walked upwards as the number was approached--in contradiction of the science indicating danger to young individuals was near-negligible and their own statements as to what herd immunity consisted of.


Also, more generally, the panic being incited now whilst number of cases and hospitalizations are half or less than they were--whilst presented as being a major risk to all equivelant to last year when no vaccines were present.

But yes, heaven forfend our public health authorities and their political overlords be held to consistent standards. Much better for science and society that it all be based upon guesswork and whatever is convenient for the moment. That's how you build trust.

Vaccination and masking of low risk populations isn't about protecting them. In general, those measures are aimed at reducing community spread in general. It isn't about just whether you might die, but the effect on the population and economy as a whole.

The "panic" as you call it is justified as long as the community transmission is out of control. If local areas are able to either entirely rid themselves of infection, or at least reduce it to the point that contact tracing and individual quarantine are more viable, it makes sense to relax measures. I'd say in that sense I agree that national or state wide mandates can be overly broad. When even a small number of cases can balloon exponentially though, it's better to come on too strong than use the soft touch.

"Consistent standards" is a meaningless idea, when the responsive bodies are in an entirely new situation. Nothing quite like this has ever happened before. There's been worse in terms of disease, but not in the kind of social and technological setting we have now. The standards are evolving as the situation and threat do. They've said plenty that was wrong, or at least not entirely right, but they've had no way to judge what works other than hindsight.

Common sense? Says the chap who doesn't seem to see much wrong in giving unprecedented powers to the state that haven't been seen even in wartime. Neither the Luftwaffe or Cromwell shut the pubs in Britain, but this wet fart of a Sars outbreak managed it.

Uh huh... Because, unsurprisingly, different threats call for different responses. The Luftwaffe had everyone hanging blackout curtains, and the civil war saw huge numbers drafted to military service. People complained about both of those too. They're not doing either here because it wouldn't make a lick of sense. Since covid is spread person to person, they're trying to reduce the person to person interaction you'd see at the pub, rather than trying to reduce city glow so bombers can't find you.

 

[Airedale260]

I agree it's not good, but what's the better alternative? Assuming you accept the numbers (At least roughly.) then covid has hit more than 1/10 of the American population, and killed >600,000 compared to something like 30,000 for the flu in the last relevant year best as I can find. That's a vastly worse effect even with lockdowns and all the other measures. If precautionary measures aren't taken that's liable to turn the "flu season" into an annual economy crippler. So... What's the better option?

At this point, you're better off letting nature take its course. Last year we didn't have vaccines available, nor did we have equipment and facilities in the numbers available to handle any sort of expansion. In fact, the latter was the ORIGINAL reason for the lockdown: Remember "flatten the curve" being the big phrase? Then it turned into trying to prevent the spread completely (which is impossible). But in the meantime we have multiple vaccines available and while herd immunity is going to continue to take time, the vaccinated (who are at very low risk of spreading it anyway) are being punished when we've been following all the rules.

Prior to 2020, even the CDC didn't think lockdowns were any sort of long-term solution. Right now? The government has basically done everything it can do to encourage vaccinations and try to get life back to normal. Going back into lockdowns only makes things that much harder, and for a lot of people, the risk of getting COVID is considered less of a hassle than being isolated and unable to live one's life.

 

[Bacle]

Vaccination and masking of low risk populations isn't about protecting them. In general, those measures are aimed at reducing community spread in general. It isn't about just whether you might die, but the effect on the population and economy as a whole.

The "panic" as you call it is justified as long as the community transmission is out of control. If local areas are able to either entirely rid themselves of infection, or at least reduce it to the point that contact tracing and individual quarantine are more viable, it makes sense to relax measures. I'd say in that sense I agree that national or state wide mandates can be overly broad. When even a small number of cases can balloon exponentially though, it's better to come on too strong than use the soft touch.

"Consistent standards" is a meaningless idea, when the responsive bodies are in an entirely new situation. Nothing quite like this has ever happened before. There's been worse in terms of disease, but not in the kind of social and technological setting we have now. The standards are evolving as the situation and threat do. They've said plenty that was wrong, or at least not entirely right, but they've had no way to judge what works other than hindsight.


Uh huh... Because, unsurprisingly, different threats call for different responses. The Luftwaffe had everyone hanging blackout curtains, and the civil war saw huge numbers drafted to military service. People complained about both of those too. They're not doing either here because it wouldn't make a lick of sense. Since covid is spread person to person, they're trying to reduce the person to person interaction you'd see at the pub, rather than trying to reduce city glow so bombers can't find you.

You still don't get it.

The virus is endemic now; there is no point in trying to 'stop the spread', because it will never truly go away.

Thus most mitigation and control measures are effectively futile among the general population, and any further abridging or restricting of our civil rights over this bug is completely unjustified.

And all that is before we even get into the PCR tests that couldn't tell the Wu Flu from the normal flu, the hospitals inflating numbers because Wu Flu cases bring in additional funding, the flip flops of the medical establishment about masks, the hate for HCQ as a treatment because Trump championed it, the 'no legal liability' issue with the vaccine makers, the obvious and blatant political double standard about social distancing that was demonstrated after George Floyd's death, saying vaccines were the key to freedom then suddenly 'mask up and lockdowns again' based off a nothingburger study from one place on the east coast, the way corps have used this pandemic to kill small business competition, and the fact the Dems shit all over the 'Trump vaccines' right up till they stole an election then became fans of it.

This isn't at all hard to understand, if you actually pay attention to what has all happened since Jan of 2020.

 

[Chaos Marine]

Just so everyone is clear, the masks do fuck all. Everyone knows this right? The China virus is small enough to go through the threads of even N95 masks. Most people just wear cloth masks which are hilariously useless, barely even a placebo. The disposable masks you can wear don't work for how people are using them, people tend to touch them, move them around and don't replace them frequently enough and throwing your mask, disposable or not, into the washing machine isn't going to do shit unless you have one of those washing machines that boils the ever loving shit of whatever's inside it. This is also assuming people are even wearing them correctly.

Social distancing doesn't work either. The China Virus can travel through the air in moisture when people cough and you can bet anything you like that when people cough, that's going to spread far more than two meters so unless you're in an area with wind pressure, if the China Virus is around, you're getting covered in it regardless.

[Edit]

Oh yeah, wearing multiple masks doesn't do anything either besides make you look like a fucking retard.

[Edit2]

The vaccine doesn't protect you from getting the China Virus, it just reduces the symptoms of it, you're still carrying it and you can still spread it. For some explicable reason, people believe that if you get the vaccine you won't get the China Virus. I fucking wonder why.

 

[DarthOne]

Your twitter link (2nd link) doesn't seem to work friend.

 

[Chaos Marine]

Your twitter link (2nd link) doesn't seem to work friend.

Try refreshing, works for me.

 

[Vaermina]

Looks like we got an update now that the CDC has released some of it's "Science", and it is exactly what the scientist from before said.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Chaos Marine]

Oh ho, expect something bad to happen in the next couple of days or week's time.

Mayor says Berejiklian has 'lost complete control' of outbreak as hundreds of troops set to arrive in Sydney

Hundreds of military personnel will make house-to-house calls with police in worst-hit Sydney suburbs to ensure residents are complying with stay-at-home orders.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Jormungandr]

EDIT

Piers Morgan: Unvaccinated Should Be DENIED Medical Treatment and Left To Die

Piers Morgan: Unvaccinated Should Be DENIED Medical Treatment and Left To Die

Lockdown fanatic Piers Morgan is now calling for unvaccinated people to be completely banned from receiving medical treatment in the UK, even if they are dying. “Those who refuse to be vaccinated, with no medical [...]

newspunch.com

As a Brit who isn't vaccinated, have no plans to be vaccinated no matter how much the NHS is harassing me with texts and letters (yes, they are doing this), and who is going to need healthcare soon due to having a fucked up insides (to the point where we have no idea what's going on down there -- MRI scans, ahoy!), I happily say "fuck you, Piers Morgan, and if you were on fire in the street, I wouldn't even piss on your face".

 

[Zachowon]

Uh, why do you think it "seems to do jack shit"? That doesn't line up with the data coming from any country, and I'm sure given your job you'd realise how unlikely it is that every country regardless of geopolitical issues would agree to somehow force their medical establishment to force the data to fit a standardised lie for the sake of American corporations.

So far, 10 vaccinated service members died from COVID.
People who are vaccinated are still getting it, andin some cases aren't doing much better.
I as a 22 year old will do better without then with the Vaccine.

 

[Sobek]

There is a massive push towards a "the vaccine makes it less bad" as a cope now. Insane bullshit.

 

[Sobek]

Oh look



They need more panic now. Interesting how they they say this just as it looks like people are tired of lock-downs. I am sure this is 100% truthful and honest.

 

[Vaermina]

So far, 10 vaccinated service members died from COVID.
People who are vaccinated are still getting it, andin some cases aren't doing much better.
I as a 22 year old will do better without then with the Vaccine.

Which service? Which Vaccine?

 

[Zachowon]

Which service? Which Vaccine?

8 at fort Bliss in the Army, 2 in the Navy.
Don't know for sure which Vax, but the Army is only giving Phizer.

 

[DarthOne]

And the shifting of the blame begins in earnest. Let us hope that Trump can avoid the inevitable bullshit that's fired at him.

(Yes, Trump did push for the vaccine, but blaming him for Big Pharma's lies and deceptions is unfair to me, especially since he also tried to give the alternatives their limelight too)

 

[DarthOne]

Not armed yet, but I don't doubt that's in the next stage when they start going door to door for those who haven't have the vaccine or the like....

 

[Vaermina]

8 at fort Bliss in the Army, 2 in the Navy.

Don't know for sure which Vax, but the Army is only giving Phizer.

Are you sure you didn't get rumor milled? Because Fort Bliss is also where they are keeping a bunch of Migrants.

Also stat wise the vaccine lowers both the chance of you getting severe covid, and the chance of you dying from it, by a statistically large amount.

 

[Zachowon]

Are you sure you didn't get rumor milled? Because Fort Bliss is also where they are keeping a bunch of Migrants.

Also stat wise the vaccine lowers both the chance of you getting severe covid, and the chance of you dying from it, by a statistically large amount.

I am sure. A SGM I work with just came from there and was told by people on base.