D&D 5E WOTC Dungeons and Dragons Changing Lore For More Inclusivity

Typhonis said:
1st edition Warhammer FRPG says hello and I actually played it. One lucky hit from a gobbo on a high end character could possibly kill them
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I see that you also misread the rulebook and gave Ulric's Fury to NPCs?

Yeah, Naked Dwarf and the unplayable magic system. My group started homebrewing quite quickly.

I loved the feel of 1st ed. In a different world I would had played Warhammer RPG using the world from the end of 1st ed with the rules of 2nd ed. With lashings of homebrew. But alas, by the time 2ed arrived I and my group had moved on ...
 
S'task said:
And THAC0 replaced a more convoluted system where to hit was often determined by class with tables. It wasn't a terrible system, but I do understand why they changed it, having everything be "roll a d20 and add bonuses and succeed by meeting or exceeding" rather than some things being that, some things being roll d20 and roll under, and some things roll percentile, makes the system more intuitive and easy to learn. There's a reason most systems use a single resolution mechanic, even if they change up things like the number of dice used, etc.
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Yeah, a leftover from the games origins in tabletop wargaming. Combat Results Tables (CRTs) were the standard then, and frankly I always enjoyed hex and counter wargames with CRTs, but it doesn't work as smoothly with fantasy roleplaying.
 
Typhonis said:
Hell you want a dark and grim fantasy setting? 1st edition Warhammer FRPG says hello and I actually played it. One lucky hit from a gobbo on a high end character could possibly kill them and do not get me started on the Naked Dwarf.

It's a Grim Dark world falling into greater darkness and you are one of a few people who stand the line to stop it. You don't need to be a 'special snowflake' to play in it. Just an understanding that this was Elden Ring, Bloodborne, or Dark Souls for tabletop.
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I seem to recall, although my memory is hazy, that the most dangerous starting template was ratcatcher because it came with a small but scrappy dog.
 
Ixian said:
Yeah, a leftover from the games origins in tabletop wargaming. Combat Results Tables (CRTs) were the standard then, and frankly I always enjoyed hex and counter wargames with CRTs, but it doesn't work as smoothly with fantasy roleplaying.
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Hex grids can work fine with fantasy RPGs and actually get rid of a lot of weird edge cases, though it can be a pain to convert maps over, as most of the time they're based on squares.
 
S'task said:
Hex grids can work fine with fantasy RPGs and actually get rid of a lot of weird edge cases, though it can be a pain to convert maps over, as most of the time they're based on squares.
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Should be easy enough if you can get a transparent hex overlay. Slide it atop a normal map and simply use the hexes and ignore the grid.
 
Typhonis said:
Should be easy enough if you can get a transparent hex overlay. Slide it atop a normal map and simply use the hexes and ignore the grid.
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Trick is preventing it from ending up a muddled mess.

DM I had found some success in slightly blurring map images, then running them through one of those image enhancers before applying a new hexgrid before printing out in chunks if using a physical tabletop. Ended up a little wonky sometimes but it unironically kind of helped visual clarity when it came to the grid.
 
What I mean is back in the day, during 2nd edition, D+D Maps had no grid on them and you used a transparent hex overlay to determine travel speed and such. So why not just create a transparent hex overlay you can put on a regular map to convert it to a hex map?
 
The last surviving member of the legendary party that created and played Dungeons & Dragons, one Robert Kuntz, apparently wasn't a fan of Wizards 50th Anniversary of Dungeons and Dragons founding, how the founders including himself are being portrayed and how official Dungeons and Dragons "Historians" are smearing them.

Grummz did a long Twitter thread recently on how Wizards of the Coast and the current DnD community are engaging in erasure and slandering of the original founders of the game.



And it goes on...

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For his part, Robert Kuntz is apparently involved in his own feature length documentary chronicling the same subject.

 
Looking at the lefty dnd spaces like enworld over the last few days is hilarious. It started something like...

"Reeeeee elon wants to turn dnd into FATAL"

"Haha, only muskrat would be stupid enough to waste 9 Billion on dnd"

"He could never buy it hur dur, it's not like he has a personal network north of 300 billion"

Then Hasbro stock shot up following Elons mention of the possibility of him buying Hasbro, and suddenly the leftists are talking about how evil he is, and how he will drive "everyone" away from dnd.

What they don't understand is that their superhero fantasy game ISN'T dnd, and that even if everyone stopped playing it (which wouldn't happen) real dnd fans would consider that a good thing.
 
Elon buying DnD would be a mercy one way or another. I think he'd do a decent job of it, it's unironically hard to fuck up DnD and more a reminder that WotC's brainrot is so fucking bad that they did. This is a company where they once created a convoluted cartoon scheme due to niche dominant myopia [IE somebody who achieves hyperdominance in a niche market is liable to artificially manage it for decades even if the product is objectively bad, because the limited market share means that people in the market gravitate towards the largest product and unlike with other industries, playing follow-the-leader results in crippled or dead competitors because they lack the early start cushion of market share to alleviate any problems that arise. WoW famously had this for like a decade+, copying GW crippled the wargames industry beyond repair, Marvel's post-Shooter descent into insanity led the industry off a cliff it's never recovered from, and WotC's was MtG] to try and get Japan to play magic.

They created Duel Masters, something with the dubious honor of being possibly the best designed TCG ever made [bricking was impossible, more or less] and marketed it to Japan and as an afterthought the rest of the world. in the span of about a year it became the biggest TCG in the world, shooting past MtG, Pokemon, and Yugioh.

They then carried out their plan which was....

To shutter the game because they legitimately thought the entire playerbase would immediately move to MtG. Rather than have two money printing card games to their name or shut down the less successful one, they decided their precious wonderchild was just so magical this would surely work.

It didn't sales actually dropped. It created a vacuum in the industry resulting in mass diversification of the market with new products. The move in terms of lost potential profit probably cost WotC at least a couple billion dollars. To say nothing of the whole ass anime they commissioned.

They then refused to bring it back for years, and when they did it was too late [shit like Vanguard and the like slid into the gap] and they insisted on only bringing it back in Japan specifically because they didn't want it to outcompete MTG elsewhere.

This is the level of absolutely fucking stupid WotC is. Literally all they had to do was slap together some new rules and convert old material and they could have printed money forever. Instead we had caving to twitter tantrums, attempts to turn a TTRPG into games as a service, nearly blowing themselves up with legal fees due to trying to revoke a contract they themselves had designed to be unalterable and irrevocable, and designers openly talking about how they refused to do their jobs because nobody could make them among other shit over the years.

Literally didn't even have to try and they would have won forever. Elon literally could not do worse without active sabotage.
 
Ixian said:
Looking at the lefty dnd spaces like enworld over the last few days is hilarious. It started something like...

"Reeeeee elon wants to turn dnd into FATAL"

"Haha, only muskrat would be stupid enough to waste 9 Billion on dnd"

"He could never buy it hur dur, it's not like he has a personal network north of 300 billion"

Then Hasbro stock shot up following Elons mention of the possibility of him buying Hasbro, and suddenly the leftists are talking about how evil he is, and how he will drive "everyone" away from dnd.

What they don't understand is that their superhero fantasy game ISN'T dnd, and that even if everyone stopped playing it (which wouldn't happen) real dnd fans would consider that a good thing.
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Fuck it. If elon buys hasbro I will buy their shit. If he twists their arms to just stop pushing the message all the time a fair few of their issues would go away. MTG and DnD could be made great again. ah well at least I will always have the old editions. I have a veritable library of old 3.5 pdfs. and 2nd edition... and 1st edition... fuck now I kinda want to read through all these old table top games again.
 
Blasterbot said:
Fuck it. If elon buys hasbro I will buy their shit. If he twists their arms to just stop pushing the message all the time a fair few of their issues would go away. MTG and DnD could be made great again. ah well at least I will always have the old editions. I have a veritable library of old 3.5 pdfs. and 2nd edition... and 1st edition... fuck now I kinda want to read through all these old table top games again.
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Maybe just buy Wizards if he can. Seems more digestible then some giant woke dinosaur toy company.
 
I'll check it out if Musk does buy Hasbro, but I actually have a set of the new Castles and Crusades Reforged books coming in. I'm honestly more interested in what he might do to MtG. I used to play competitively, and it would be nice to have reasons to get back into the game. It just sucks so fucking bad now.
 
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