"Woke" Franchises

Bassoe

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In fairness, back in the Golden Age of comics you had all sorts of ridiculous things like this...
Actually as someone who used to look at Golden Age material for laughs, I'm pretty sure I've never seen this. At least from the big names.
You have now.
 

Cyan Saiyajin

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You have now.
2021 is a bit late to be considered a golden age comic. 😉

If you searched and this was the only other example you could find then this is apparently even more rarer a thing than I though it was.

It was the silver age not the golden age.

S'task mentioned the golden age, not the silver age. Although I have read a good bit of that too.
 
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Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
My first question is that if you are going to change something so much then why not just create a new IP?
My second and more important question is what audience was this show even intended for?

Not really sure how to answer your second question, unfortunately. :(

But as for the first, I mentioned Magical Girl Friendship Squad as a case in point of leftist writers consistently cranking out Woke trash loaded with bad characters, horrid art style, and as many pop-culture references as possible that may very well be forgotten and irrelevant in ten to twenty years' time — thus depriving modern works of the "timelessness" element that makes good fiction resonate with a broader audience than just their peer group in the current year.
 

Carrot of Truth

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But as for the first, I mentioned Magical Girl Friendship Squad as a case in point of leftist writers consistently cranking out Woke trash loaded with bad characters, horrid art style, and as many pop-culture references as possible that may very well be forgotten and irrelevant in ten to twenty years' time — thus depriving modern works of the "timelessness" element that makes fiction resonate with more people than just their peer group in the current year.


I think it would be more accurate to just call those "writers" talentless hacks that did not actually earn their positions.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I think it would be more accurate to just call those "writers" talentless hacks that did not actually earn their positions.

Fair, though that certainly raises the question of how they got there in the first place. 🧐

Probably connections or favors their well-off parents called in to get their kids a cushy position, if I were to guess — not to mention the "powers that be" deeming them "useful idiots" who'll do the gruntwork in subverting and deconstructing American culture. Unfortunately for them, the people behind that show probably couldn't write enticing work to save their lives, so really, I'm not sure what the heck these "Screw the old, bring in the new!" media executives are thinking.
 

ATP

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Not very good or compelling ones, I'm guessing?

Obviously, I assume they bombarded the audience with "Marx good, Capitalism bad!" 24/7, as well as that there was no way to access apolitical media that just told a fun, engaging story without beating the audience over the head with propaganda at every turn.

you could find fragments on YT.Full of fat rich capitalists and priests,,and starving workers.
With noble red army scheltering happy soviet workers.
You should look at least one - it is so bad,that actually good.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
you could find fragments on YT.Full of fat rich capitalists and priests,,and starving workers.
With noble red army scheltering happy soviet workers.
You should look at least one - it is so bad,that actually good.

Saw some of those in my recommendations, but never watched them fully. Only Soviet media I recall watching much of was The Fall of Berlin — which wasn't a cartoon at all, but a live-action movie lionizing Stalin and exaggerating his role in World War II to a comedic extent.

Thanks for the reminder, though. Looking forward to having a good laugh once I have time. (y)
 

Skitzyfrenic

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You can look at High Guardian Spice as a woke trash original IP. There are so many videos on youtube.

I remember this one scene where the bread was a picture of bread. Not animated. Not drawn. But like a stock photo they dropped into the scene. And that happens multiple times. Then there's the TRANS MAGIC! With the TRANS TEACHER who basically convinces this kid that their problems exist because they're ACTUALLY TRANS in a really creepy groomer way. That NOWTRANSGIRL (iirc) is the only male to not be an actively misogynistic asshole. The TRANSMAN teacher is incredibly creepy. And there's even more bad story telling, poor animation, everything

From start to finish what an awful show.
 
Look not for salvation or even salvaging from the Big Media companies, the convergence is complete and they only want to increase their ESG scores. Because the woketivists spewing this garbage are destroying what we use to enjoy are getting rewarded for it. Not from us the consuming public, their funding comes from the activist NGOs, 'philanthropic foundations', and some rather evil private investment groups you normally see at Davos or the WEF.

To find the worthy entertainment and culture, I'm usually seeing what is available on Arktoons for comics. To paraphrase the inimitable Razorfist, now is the rise of the Iron Age of comics. And we just have to realize that we will not find what we seek at Marvel or DC.
 

Terthna

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*Eyes Magical Girl Friendship Squad warily.* :oops:

You know… part of me can honestly sympathize with that. Still no excuse to destroy preexisting franchises, and you probably shouldn’t work in entertainment to begin with if that’s all you do, but I almost feel sorry for hacks who can only crank out crap instead of timeless art with a message that resonates with more people than just their peer group in the current year.

Honestly, that’s also why I’m banking on digital hobbyists and independent web creators finally churning out some good stuff in maybe a decade or so’s time, so that I finally have a non-childhood movie or series that I can enjoy. Maybe I’m biased, but I really think the late 2000s and early 2010s was the last gasp of Big Media creativity before it all went downhill.
If nothing else, I doubt the woke garbage being produced these days is going to be looked upon fondly in the future, by those generations removed from the ideological insanity that grips much of current day western culture. Heck, most of it probably won't be remembered at all; aside from a few choice examples that are brought up only to be mocked and derided.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
If nothing else, I doubt the woke garbage being produced these days is going to be looked upon fondly in the future, by those generations removed from the ideological insanity that grips much of current day western culture. Heck, most of it probably won't be remembered at all; aside from a few choice examples that are brought up only to be mocked and derided.

Hmm … :unsure:

In that case, I wonder what sort of stuff will be remembered fondly, say, forty or fifty years from now? For starters, I’d assume the more timeless media I mentioned previously. But even then, I’m wondering whether Star Wars or Star Trek can recover from their Woke binge-drinking at all. If the answer is yes, I suspect it’ll be thanks to digital hobbyists and independent creators taking things into their own hands by producing true-to-franchise stuff that supplants the real thing — at least, assuming Disney or Paramount don’t shut it all down completely.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I wonder sometimes about maybe some kind of crowd-funding campaign to buy the rights to the franchise and release it to the public domain so that fans can make projects unhindered.

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No, but seriously, I wonder how many people would chip in and whether they could collectively raise all that money? At the very least, I assume the tax situation would be weird, unless the crowd-funders can afford a legal team to find loopholes or argue on their behalf in court.

Plus, even if they had the funds, there’s also convincing companies who’re probably up to their asses in Woke cultists, as is, so unless the next couple of decades bring in new management that’s more “open” and recognizes they can’t rehabilitate the franchises they ruined, that’ll be an uphill battle. Wish whoever tries that the best of luck, though, since I’d be happy to have Star Wars and Star Trek enter the public domain before I’m as old and senile as Biden is now.
 
As for liberating intellectual IP? There's no way to raise enough money, because some deep pockets private equity firms can out raise the hoi polloi. Remember these firms tend to be in the hands of the families that own the banks that own the various central banks of the world.

The more effective but unsexy way to get our culture into the public domain is to push politically for reforms in the trademark and copyright laws. To remove all the exemptions that Disney and the like put in and just reset the copyright protections to 20 twenty years. And hardwrite it in so that no further exemptions are granted. And to do that so that we are not betrayed by the CongressCritters (since it is difficult to the extreme to become one and the Critters don't listen to the public at large for the most part), we have to get involved into the local political party apparatus so we become the ones who decide what Critter gets into the office and what they will do.
 

Terthna

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As for liberating intellectual IP? There's no way to raise enough money, because some deep pockets private equity firms can out raise the hoi polloi. Remember these firms tend to be in the hands of the families that own the banks that own the various central banks of the world.

The more effective but unsexy way to get our culture into the public domain is to push politically for reforms in the trademark and copyright laws. To remove all the exemptions that Disney and the like put in and just reset the copyright protections to 20 twenty years. And hardwrite it in so that no further exemptions are granted. And to do that so that we are not betrayed by the CongressCritters (since it is difficult to the extreme to become one and the Critters don't listen to the public at large for the most part), we have to get involved into the local political party apparatus so we become the ones who decide what Critter gets into the office and what they will do.
It'll be easier once the mainstream media finish bankrupting themselves ruining all their IPs, and they become worthless.
 

King Arts

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Honestly western media is trash. Go with foreign stuff, Japans animes are fine if you stay away from most Isekais.
 
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It'll be easier once the mainstream media finish bankrupting themselves ruining all their IPs, and they become worthless.

Not to mention if most of these companies go under then their IPs become the media equivalent of Abandonware. The Copyright system is only the way it is because of these companies armies of lawyers and lobbyists ability to twist the law to their advantage.
 

ATP

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Saw some of those in my recommendations, but never watched them fully. Only Soviet media I recall watching much of was The Fall of Berlin — which wasn't a cartoon at all, but a live-action movie lionizing Stalin and exaggerating his role in World War II to a comedic extent.

Thanks for the reminder, though. Looking forward to having a good laugh once I have time. (y)

Try soviet movie about Kursk,too.Partially true/althought they still overestimated german loses/ but especially funny was fragment about Prochorowka fight - when they showed german and soviet tanks ramming each other.
When in reality germans simply waited in occupied kolchoz and executed soviet tanks attacking without infrantry.
Becouse infrantry attacked earlier without tanks and get wiped out.


28 panfilow soldiers was even more funny - in reality soviet company/about 130 people/ stopped first german tank attack,was destroyed in next,and 28 managed to run.
In soviet movie there was only 28 soldiers,they destroy 20-30 tanks,and germans need Ju87 and artillery to finish them.
In reality only german tanks fought there,and they lost 4-5 that day/entire dyvision,they fought in many places/
 
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