"Woke" Franchises

The Whispering Monk

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If I were writing this, I'd introduce a new love interest for Wolverine. A plain jane human, Jane. She'd see Wolverine's plight, then figure out a way to free him from it while turning it about on the Beast, maybe not literally.

Someone who's willing to stand up for principles and defend those who can't defend themselves. Kinda like Captain America and Spider Man used to.
 
The X-Men are supposed to be 'generic mcoppressed minority' particularly the blacks. Which is why people hate these people with in born superpowers instead of being excited their kid could be a superhero. Right? Makes total sense. Something, something, fear of something, fight racism. But that was the legit intent.

So, the enslavement by the 'good guys' of another one of the 'good guys' is like if a Black homosexual transwoman enslaved the muslim pansexual transman. Except the writers don't get that, because they don't actually have things like principles, conviction, ethics or morals.

Nobody who currently writes for Marvel has ever been oppressed. Made a second class citizen, etc, etc. Not really, not the way that it used to be. And most of the time in the modern day, they're doing the oppressing/bigoted acts.

So what should be a recurring storyline about community, found family, the difficulties therein, and equality had turned into (Again, actually) a supremacist ethno-police-state where enslaving one of your most prominent members is okay, because you're doing it not the Oppressing Sub-Human Straight White Mundie Men.


Honestly I felt for a while that the whole "mutant bigotry" storyline needed to be retired long time ago. I'd make more sense if they existed in their own continuity outside of the greater marvel universe, but in universe since Ol chuck started his activism you have seen the creation of several super heroes and super teams not to mention several wars involving extra terrestrial and extra dimensional. Sure you'll always have some racist, but considering how easy it is to get superpowers. We already know most of these said abilities can be controlled with enough practice (even Rouge's) so I'd thinkThe greater society at large would just see mutants as just like every other super powered moron out there minus a step.

Honestly if I were writing. The ending of that whole arc would be Prof X expanding his school to include all people who have developed super human abilities and need help controlling them or just need a support network.
 

Captain X

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I have to agree that it never made sense to me for X-Men to exist in the same universe as all the other Marvel comics, though I was fond of that Spiderman crossover with the X-Men animated series. I suppose a fun thing there could be that there could be rough feelings between people who were born mutants with powers and those who had powers given to them from experimentation like Captain America or by accident like Spiderman and are seemingly more accepted by the society that treats them like crap. But probably I'd just keep the universes separated.
 

Abhorsen

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Honestly, what people think about Magneto is a great litmus test for a fan. He's one of the well done 'race swapped characters'. A decade or two into his existance (honestly forget the exact time, this is a guess), they decided to make him a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust instead of what he was (generic bad mutant man).

So first, ask what they think of the Magneto's morality and how he's written. Generally, the woke will say it's bad that he's the villain, because he's oppressed, and it's screwed up messaging. In fact, it's the opposite. He's a great character because he shows that opposing evil does not make one good, something they don't seem to understand.

Second, ask them about the race swap and why no one complains about it. The real answer is that it was plot motivated, not politics motivated. He was race swapped because it gave the character an interesting and compelling backstory that explained his actions, in complete contrast to what happens now, where the desire to make it intersectional comes first, then comes a half assed explanation.
 

Skallagrim

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Second, ask them about the race swap and why no one complains about it. The real answer is that it was plot motivated, not politics motivated. He was race swapped because it gave the character an interesting and compelling backstory that explained his actions, in complete contrast to what happens now, where the desire to make it intersectional comes first, then comes a half assed explanation.
A somewhat less profound example of this is Nick Fury in the MCU. Nobody complains about the fact that he's now a black man. Why? Because he wasn't made black because they needed a black guy. They needed the baddest motherfucker they could find, and that was Sam Jackson-- who is black.

This was a good choice, so nobody complains. The whole "if you criticise our agenda you're a racist!" accusation is just completely hollow.
 
Controversial opinion: Magneto is a walking, talking, example of why mankind has very good reasons to fear the mutant.

Honestly I'm surprised no one in the marvel universe has tried to erase its existence (save for some AUs) who wants to suffer the burden of existing in a world where there are more reality warpers than non reality warpers and the very fabric of the universe can be ripped apart any moment for the sake of some unknown force's entertainment?

As stupid as some plot aspects to Deadpool kills the marvel universe was. His reaction upon learning the true nature of the universe was understandable.
 
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King Krávoka

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Honestly I'm surprised no one in the marvel universe has tried to erase its existence (save for some AUs) who wants to suffer the burden of existing in a world where there are more reality warpers than non reality warpers and the very fabric of the universe can be ripped apart any moment for the sake of some unknown force's entertainment.
No. It's not like that at all, even if the current authors personally affirm that position. All major franchises are only made of the parts that you like, nothing more, nothing less. You're not supposed to accept that everything inside a five-year Groundhog Day loop sustained by millions or billions of real-world dollars is part of the Real Continuity.
 

Abhorsen

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A somewhat less profound example of this is Nick Fury in the MCU. Nobody complains about the fact that he's now a black man. Why? Because he wasn't made black because they needed a black guy. They needed the baddest motherfucker they could find, and that was Sam Jackson-- who is black.
That actually started well before the MCU with Ultimate Marvel, but he was purposely drawn like Samuel L Jackson because Jackson is a badass. Then, one Nick Fury got popular in the MCU (cause Samuel L Jackson) the rest of marvel quietly replaced Nick Fury with his son Nick Fury Jr, who is black and looks like Samuel L Jackson. I got no problem with this, because again, it was motivated not by some purity spiral, but 'Hey, we can make this guy look really badass/tap into this popular thing'. It's story motivated.

Oh, btw, a great argument against wokies on tokenization: Note how many lesbians there are, then compare that to gay men, especially gay male relationships. Lesbians are okay cause they are hot, but gay male relationships exist in about the frequency one would expect.
 
My personal theory as to the sheer vitriol of wokeness in the franchises is due to a hatred of the Good, the Beautiful and the True. This impulse to destroy stories that either portrayed or hell, even just mentioned virtue as a concept, can be explained by taking a look at the proponents of wokism. They tend to lack virtues such as Beauty (or the aesthetic sense to appreciate it) due to being either physically unattractive or be unattractive personality-wise. And many times it's both.

Wokeness is simply these folks attempt to 'mandate' situations where someone will have sex with them.
 
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My personal theory as to the sheer vitriol of wokeness in the franchises is due to a hatred of the Good, the Beautiful and the True. This impulse to destroy stories that either portrayed or hell, even just mentioned virtue as a concept, can be explained by taking a look at the proponents of wokism. They tend to lack virtues such as Beauty (or the aesthetic sense to appreciate it) due to being either physically unattractive or be unattractive personality-wise. And many times it's both.

Wokeness is simply these folks attempt to 'mandate' situations where someone will have sex with them.

I'd argue that beauty like wealth is not inherently a virtue so much as it is a neutral thing (I've seen some beautiful rich people fall for some of the dumbest most repulsive things, likewise I've seen some ugly poor people that are very conservative) but these are things that tend to be envied by those who have not and as a result, they tend to follow wokeness not as an attempt to actually improve themselves or those who have not, but merely to spite those who have even if no one actually benefits. Aydin Paladin actually talks about this in one of her videos.



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery (literally word Pharmakia referring to halcuaginic drug), enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God


How much of the above describes the left or even the right at times?
Source: 12 Bible verses about Envy
 
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ATP

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I'd argue that beauty like wealth is not inherently a virtue so much as it is a neutral thing (I've seen some beautiful rich people fall for some of the dumbest most repulsive things, likewise I've seen some ugly poor people that are very conservative) but these are things that tend to be envied by those who have not and as a result, they tend to follow wokeness not as an attempt to actually improve themselves or those who have not, but merely to spite those who have even if no one actually benefits. Aydin Paladin actually talks about this in one of her videos.



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery (literally word Pharmakia referring to halcuaginic drug), enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God


How much of the above describes the left or even the right at times?
Source: 12 Bible verses about Envy


Bible is racist! REEEEE!!!!
And racist white people wrote it ! ;)
 

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And some idiots wonder how a single Japanese manga can outsell the entire US comic industry.
 
In fairness, back in the Golden Age of comics you had all sorts of ridiculous things like this...


yeah there was a whole series dedicated to making Louis Lane go through different fetish fuel situations. Not sure if it's funny or sad.

On another note, related to DC.



Albeit it was for different reasons, but I warned people not to trust Zaslav. Looks like my gut instinct was correct.
 

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