Wisdom from Rudyard Kipling: Normans and Saxons

Scottty

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Normans and Saxons
A.D. 1100"

My son," said the Norman Baron, "I am dying, and you will
be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for
share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little
handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:--

"The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow--with his sullen set eyes
on your own,
And grumbles, 'This isn't fair dealing,' my son, leave the Saxon alone.

"You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your
Picardy spears;
But don't try that game on the Saxon; you'll have the whole
brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained
serf in the field,
They'll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise,
you will yield.

"But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs
and songs.
Don't trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale
of their own wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they are saying; let them feel
that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear 'em out if it takes
you all day.

They'll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour
of the dark.
It's the sport not the rabbits they're after (we've plenty of game
in the park).
Don't hang them or cut off their fingers. That's wasteful as well
as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man-
at-arms you can find.

"Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and
funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish
priests.
Say 'we,' 'us' and 'ours' when you're talking, instead of 'you
fellows' and 'I.'
Don't ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell 'em
a lie!"
 
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And this is the telling of how did so many Normans become the finest high blood of all Old England.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Basically be nice but keep them at arms length, be wary but also not too obvious and show strength without threats

Got it
 

Scottty

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Basically be nice but keep them at arms length, be wary but also not too obvious and show strength without threats
Got it

There's a bit more to it than that.
  • Don't act in a way that openly flouts their ideas of right and wrong. "I'm the boss, so I can treat you however I like" will not work here.
  • Work with their nature not against it - eg turn potential troublemakers by recruiting them into your private militia.
  • Try to build rapport with them, to get them to think of you as being like one of their old thanes. Or better.
Now the people that you want to "keep at arm's length" are the higher officials of that other hierarchy - The Church. "Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests." The bishop is a political rival. Treat him with respect but don't think he's on your side. But the junior-level clergy, the ones who interact with your vassals all the time, do all the actual work, but are typically very under-paid? Those you can get on your side. Do good to them, and you build loyalty to yourself both from them and from their congregation.
And one of them might be the next bishop.

All of this advice boils down to not taking your position in the world for granted, but working to strengthen and maintain it by living up to your obligations, and not abusing your power.
 

CarlManvers2019

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All of this advice boils down to not taking your position in the world for granted, but working to strengthen and maintain it by living up to your obligations, and not abusing your power.

Sounds more like pragmatism, rather than doing good for its sake
 

CarlManvers2019

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Good works based on pragmatism have a better foundation then good works based on human whims.

Now that I think about it, the Western Far Left looks to be made up of Romanticists and Idealists who use sheer Emotionalism or accusations whenever people point out the problems of their rather idealistic plans and policies.

Maybe why they end up showing the many “Corrupt Corporate Executives” and other “Right-Wing” stereotypes as being completely without “pragmatism” to even be NICE, as being a bunch of hilariously cheap and short term thinking douchebags

As out sister sites love using the term, those “Right-Wingers” are a bunch of “Moustache Twirling Villains” really
 

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