ISOT WI: A Crusader Knight gets traveled back in time?

Urabrask Revealed

Let them go.
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During the Siege of Jerusalem in 1099, a knight goes to sleep in his tent. The next morning he's rudely shook awake by his worried squire.
He learns the siege is gone, the city has shrunk, and a group of armed people (roman legionares) approaching his place.

The knight is accompanied by his gleve, a Squire and two pages. He has two horses, one for war, the other to pull his carriage. He has a full plate armor set, a lance, a sword, a mace, and two bows along with enough arrows for his pages. His squire and page are less well equipped, having only chain mail and a lance each, with the squire having a mace in addition.
They have two tents, one for the knight himself, and enough food to last them two weeks, the horses included.

The time they arrived in, is shortly before Jesus returns from his 40 days feast in the desert.

How could things proceed from here?
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
No plate armor in 1099, just mail armor. Also I don't think Jerusalem from before the Great Jewish Revolt is smaller than the Jerusalem of 1099 AD.

A single armored horseman is not an insurmountable obstacle for trained and well led Roman legionnaries
 

Urabrask Revealed

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No plate armor in 1099, just mail armor. Also I don't think Jerusalem from before the Great Jewish Revolt is smaller than the Jerusalem of 1099 AD.

A single armored horseman is not an insurmountable obstacle for trained and well led Roman legionnaries
Alright, and the politcal implications? This is a group of people who traveled across a continent to free Jerusalem from a group of occupiers no roman has heard about, in the name of a guy who most people don't even know about.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Alright, and the politcal implications? This is a group of people who traveled across a continent to free Jerusalem from a group of occupiers no roman has heard about, in the name of a guy who most people don't even know about.

He's declared a crazy person and is told he's illegally squatting and should pay taxes

Or they ignore him

Or they enslave him
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
The troops stationed in Jerusalem have little trouble dealing with five armed guys, who are considered raving loonies, no shortage of those in Jerusalem, even back then.
 

What's the sitch?

Well-known member
Really depends on what they try and do. If they just try to assimilate, they probably could. If they try and share what tech they can, they probably could ( if they know how their gear is even made).

Some crazy guys with "non guns" or "non invulnerable scifi armor" vs the whole world with metal weapons is not going to get very far if they try and take over the world.

As to whether them appearing
The time they arrived in, is shortly before Jesus returns from his 40 days feast in the desert.
specifically.

It depends on whether they understand they have traveled back in time, even understand Jesus Christ and what even is occuring, and if they think they should interfere in any sort of capacity.

The tech gap presented is incredibly minimal however there is not much they could really do to avert Jesus Death, if that is something you can even prevent (depending on if you view Religion as real, or a story people tell themselves to cope).
 

Shipmaster Sane

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The tech gap presented is incredibly minimal however there is not much they could really do to avert Jesus Death, if that is something you can even prevent (depending on if you view Religion as real, or a story people tell themselves to cope).

Not much they could do? They could stuff him in a sack and drag him away from danger. They might not, but they could.
Also, religion can be real and also be stories people tell themselves to cope, those things are not mutually exclusive.
 

Lanmandragon

Well-known member
Several plagues hit Europe between 1099 and what 5AD? How likley is it that Frenchie spreads dieases through the empire?
 

What's the sitch?

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What I mean is that if you view that this was the time that Jesus was "supposed to die" as according to prophecy. Then nothing they do will actually prevent it and anything they do will be prevented in some manner, because it was foretold, from the beginning that he would die at the aforementioned time for the sins of mankind.

If you view religion as something that is built off "events" that could have happened in any manner, then they can intervene. But if God's plans are so easily interfered with, are they really God? Even if he is actually "save able" (keep in mind Jesus is actually walked willingly into this) what is to stop him from doing it again, what if actual real weird and bad multiversal chaos/eldritch things happen because this event does not occur?

This of course then leads into the nature of free will and time travel. Are we truly free? Are some events set in stone, if so, how "set" are events. Can a dead butterfly change everything? Can time be changed but it takes more effort? How much effort? Is everything that is destined to happen, what will happen?

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Is the scenario based on the assumption that Jesus wasn't really divine? In the sense of the Bible? That he is at best just one '"god(lower case)/demigod" among the many?

In a very real sense, if the crusader is actually a Christian/Catholic and not just Larper out for Gold, Glory, Country, he would not interfere because he would understand he could not interfere.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
What I mean is that if you view that this was the time that Jesus was "supposed to die" as according to prophecy. Then nothing they do will actually prevent it and anything they do will be prevented in some manner, because it was foretold, from the beginning that he would die at the aforementioned time for the sins of mankind.

If you view religion as something that is built off "events" that could have happened in any manner, then they can intervene. But if God's plans are so easily interfered with, are they really God? Even if he is actually "save able" (keep in mind Jesus is actually walked willingly into this) what is to stop him from doing it again, what if actual real weird and bad multiversal chaos/eldritch things happen because this event does not occur?

This of course then leads into the nature of free will and time travel. Are we truly free? Are some events set in stone, if so, how "set" are events. Can a dead butterfly change everything? Can time be changed but it takes more effort? How much effort? Is everything that is destined to happen, what will happen?
If the "religion" was real, it would involve the time travelers already, as it's an all-encompasing view. I find it odd you suppose a situation in which you have "Gods plans" like on one side of a table and then you have "This scenario" on the other. Anything that happened at any point would by definition be a part of the sequence of events that was supposed to occur.
 

What's the sitch?

Well-known member
Well I guess we can create the time machine and find out just how changeable the timeline is and how exactly time travel even works :p , and how open said potential Gods/gods are to their plans being altered.

I honestly don't know what will happen, we sure can try though.
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I'll admit it is difficult "what iffing" about events around ones religion, especially when one does not believe in DND style beliefs where gods are regularly killed, ascend and descend with an infinite amount of aspects and worlds they are present on.

I can generally entertain such questions by adding a "There are no Absolute Deities/equivalents" in this setting when I read the thing, but it's pretty difficult when the what if directly involves a core section of a person's religion, in "real world" setting.
 
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ShieldWife

Marchioness
If Christianity is true, then the knight can’t change history, his presence merely causes God’s will to come to pass. If Christianity is false, then the knight may well be able to save Jesus’ life, not with fighting but by warning him. The fighting ability and technological edge that our mail clad Crusader knight brings is only marginally better than what the Romans had - his combat prowess won’t be a factor unless he can build on it.

Maybe he can introduce the stirrups to Rome.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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If Christianity is true, then the knight can’t change history, his presence merely causes God’s will to come to pass. If Christianity is false, then the knight may well be able to save Jesus’ life, not with fighting but by warning him. The fighting ability and technological edge that our mail clad Crusader knight brings is only marginally better than what the Romans had - his combat prowess won’t be a factor unless he can build on it.

Maybe he can introduce the stirrups to Rome.
I wouldnt declare it as simple a binary as that. If christianity is true, God's will might be that the knight now generate a new timeline, it could be anything. Theres no reason to assume what God's perspective on time travel would be after all.
 

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