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DarthOne

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That's what moderation is for.
You seem to be missing my point. The issue is that these sort of things can fester and get out of control very quickly, even with good moderation. And good moderation gets more difficult the more people show up.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
You seem to be missing my point. The issue is that these sort of things can fester and get out of control very quickly, even with good moderation. And good moderation gets more difficult the more people show up.

I honestly think, allowing people to express their views more will help result in people being challenged, which will keep any one or group of people from becoming anything close to tyrants
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I guess I can just copy the explanation from one of my profile posts on SB:

Two years on the forums was enough to recognize their apparent slant. I stuck in CrW writing my own fanfic but then came the PM controversy. It was eye-opening to watch so many users jump on the "hail hydra" bandwagon and start throwing spergrage fits over a perceived years-long conspiracy to take over their precious forums. I saw Mandemon, a guy who I knew from time on another site as anything but conservative get attacked for a factual error in one of his posts trying to urge calm. All of it over some out of context screenshots (many of which were found to be fabrications). Additional glimpses into whitehall also hinted that the mods were being...spotty when it came to cracking down on more inflammatory posts.
On a more niche note...
Over in the specific realm of CrW I followed, I've observed some tendencies and preconceptions that are more than a little creatively stifling. Longtime members of a certain fandom being excessively on guard against "edgy" traits in a story or plot elements that are apparently overused. Meanwhile, the stories that have gotten their own threads this past year are almost exclusively SI's. The quality varies, but fuck, a different premise would be nice. If there's a larger issue across the whole board of trend chasing, I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, and it's fairly fashionable for people to dunk on certain older, popular fanfics that kickstarted the whole trend. There was minor shitstorm from people being willfully ignorant of one particular setting's details that blew up at least twice this past year.
And with all that in mind, I just kept off spacebattles apart from reading what few stories I like there.
The desire to know what happened with some of the mods who got the boot as a result of the PM controversy led me here after a short search. Because I can already tell that this site is more mentally sound, I may transfer some of my projects here just to be safe as SB cracks and splinters even further.

I suggest asking Emperor Tippy he briefed me on what happened months back when I came here
 

Urabrask Revealed

Let them go.
Founder
I guess I can just copy the explanation from one of my profile posts on SB:

Two years on the forums was enough to recognize their apparent slant. I stuck in CrW writing my own fanfic but then came the PM controversy. It was eye-opening to watch so many users jump on the "hail hydra" bandwagon and start throwing spergrage fits over a perceived years-long conspiracy to take over their precious forums. I saw Mandemon, a guy who I knew from time on another site as anything but conservative get attacked for a factual error in one of his posts trying to urge calm. All of it over some out of context screenshots (many of which were found to be fabrications). Additional glimpses into whitehall also hinted that the mods were being...spotty when it came to cracking down on more inflammatory posts.
On a more niche note...
Over in the specific realm of CrW I followed, I've observed some tendencies and preconceptions that are more than a little creatively stifling. Longtime members of a certain fandom being excessively on guard against "edgy" traits in a story or plot elements that are apparently overused. Meanwhile, the stories that have gotten their own threads this past year are almost exclusively SI's. The quality varies, but fuck, a different premise would be nice. If there's a larger issue across the whole board of trend chasing, I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, and it's fairly fashionable for people to dunk on certain older, popular fanfics that kickstarted the whole trend. There was minor shitstorm from people being willfully ignorant of one particular setting's details that blew up at least twice this past year.
And with all that in mind, I just kept off spacebattles apart from reading what few stories I like there.
The desire to know what happened with some of the mods who got the boot as a result of the PM controversy led me here after a short search. Because I can already tell that this site is more mentally sound, I may transfer some of my projects here just to be safe as SB cracks and splinters even further.
Nice, good to see you come here. I hope you can enjoy being here, and I look forward to your contribution in the Creative Writing Subforum.
 

Spartan303

In Captain America we Trust!
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Staff Member
Founder
Osaul
I guess I can just copy the explanation from one of my profile posts on SB:

Two years on the forums was enough to recognize their apparent slant. I stuck in CrW writing my own fanfic but then came the PM controversy. It was eye-opening to watch so many users jump on the "hail hydra" bandwagon and start throwing spergrage fits over a perceived years-long conspiracy to take over their precious forums. I saw Mandemon, a guy who I knew from time on another site as anything but conservative get attacked for a factual error in one of his posts trying to urge calm. All of it over some out of context screenshots (many of which were found to be fabrications). Additional glimpses into whitehall also hinted that the mods were being...spotty when it came to cracking down on more inflammatory posts.
On a more niche note...
Over in the specific realm of CrW I followed, I've observed some tendencies and preconceptions that are more than a little creatively stifling. Longtime members of a certain fandom being excessively on guard against "edgy" traits in a story or plot elements that are apparently overused. Meanwhile, the stories that have gotten their own threads this past year are almost exclusively SI's. The quality varies, but fuck, a different premise would be nice. If there's a larger issue across the whole board of trend chasing, I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, and it's fairly fashionable for people to dunk on certain older, popular fanfics that kickstarted the whole trend. There was minor shitstorm from people being willfully ignorant of one particular setting's details that blew up at least twice this past year.
And with all that in mind, I just kept off spacebattles apart from reading what few stories I like there.
The desire to know what happened with some of the mods who got the boot as a result of the PM controversy led me here after a short search. Because I can already tell that this site is more mentally sound, I may transfer some of my projects here just to be safe as SB cracks and splinters even further.

Simply put. I created the Conservative mega PM as a place to help Conservative members refine debating techniques. Back then I was still naive enough to believe that they were fully responsible for their own problems and so I wanted to help them. And for a little while it seemed to be working. And them came a sort of Eureka moment. The guys were talking with each other and realized 'hey this is great. We can talk, chill with each other and not get shit slung our way, awesome!' So it became a bit of a social hang out group. Focused more on Having fun and chilling rather than debating. Or if they did debate they'd do it amongst themselves. They didn't always agree with each other. But usually tried to rationally explain their points and counter points. Ironically in this way, fulfilling the original goals of the PM to begin with. Now there were some things said in The PM I should have never let slide but I did. What is said in PM is private and not actionable unless some is planning to Harass another member, hurt themselves or planning harm to others. Life, limb or eyesight. Things of that nature. And I was assured by SB staff I had broad discretion to handle internal problems as I saw fit as none of them aside from Peregy, Bullethead, LT_Ryguy and Lightning Count wanted to help. So it wasn't so much a big deal.

The Conservative MegaPM was always meant as a first step in my outreach program. I would start with them then I would create a Liberal one and then finally one where select members on both sides could talk behind the scenes. That was the goal at any rate. But I needed more help from the staff to pull it off, which of course I never got. And Whitehall got worse and worse.

Then came Horton. He was booted off SB due to cross forum stalking. We can infer his plan as one of simply wanting revenge against SB and to create Drama. We can also infer he wanted to grow his own forum and felt he could achieve both ends with one stroke. Because he knew that the Conservatives would be driven out of Whitehall and or SB altogether by the outrage Mobs. So he and a select few people, created the doctored images and then blew up the PM situation.

To be clear the PM was never secret. The entire staff knew about it to some degree and the one who gave me the green light to start it was a senior administrator. And if asked directly I would have answered honestly. I suppose to the Staffs credit they DID actually debunk the screenshots. But when it became clear we were obviously the targets of a smear campaign they did nothing but leave us out to rot in order to get on the good side of the outrage mobs. We resigned in disgust and protest and then went about creating the Sietch. And here we are.
 
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CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
We resigned in disgust and protest and then went about creating the Sietch. And here we are.

It was an opportunity for them and they don’t care about the truth, they just want their so called “Nazi’s” to punch even if they end up essentially calling a black guy and a jew white supremacist at the same time

It helps that they gaslight, glad UA’s not around, guy felt like he was “innocently” gaslighting everybody here to think they deserve it or something
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It was an opportunity for them and they don’t care about the truth, they just want their so called “Nazi’s” to punch even if they end up essentially calling a black guy and a jew white supremacist at the same time

It helps that they gaslight, glad UA’s not around, guy felt like he was “innocently” gaslighting everybody here to think they deserve it or something
That feels narcissistic.
 

Sailor.X

Cold War Veteran
Founder
Simply put. I created the Conservative mega PM as a place to help Conservative members refine debating techniques. Back then I was still naive enough to believe that they were fully responsible for their own problems and so I wanted to help them. And for a little while it seemed to be working. And them came a sort of Eureka moment. The guys were talking with each other and realized 'hey this is great. We can talk, chill with each other and not get shit slung our way, awesome!' So it became a bit of a social hang out group. Focused more on Having fun and chilling rather than debating. Or if they did debate they'd do it amongst themselves. They didn't always agree with each other. But usually tried to rationally explain their points and counter points. Ironically in this way, fulfilling the original goals of the PM to begin with. Now there were some things said I. The PM I should have never let slide but I did. What is said in PM is private and not actionable unless some is planning to Harass another member, hurt themselves or planning harm to others. Life, limb or eyesight. Things of that nature. And I was assured by SB staff I had broad discretion to handle internal problems as I saw fit as none of them aside from Peregy, Bullethead, LT_Ryguy and Lightning Count wanted to help. So it wasn't so much a bud deal.

The Conservative MegaPM was always meant as a first step in my outreach program. I would start with them then I would create a Liberal one and then finally one where select mem on both sides could talk behind the scenes. That was the goal at any rate. But I needed more help from the staff to pull it off, which of course I never got. And Whitehall got worse and worse.

Then came Horton. He was booted off SB due to cross forum stalking. We can infer his plan as one of simply wanting revenge against SB and to create Drama. We can also infer he wanted to grow his own forum and felt he could achieve both ends with one stroke. Because he knew that the Conservatives would be driven out of Whitehall and or SB altogether by amthe outrage Mobs. So he and a select few people, created the doctored images and then blew up the PM situation.

To be clear the PM was never secret. The entire staff knew about it to some degree and the one who game me the green light to start it was a senior administrator. And if asked directly I would have answered honestly. I suppose to the Staffs credit they DID actually debunk the screenshots. But when it became clear we were obviously the targets of a smear campaign they did nothing but leave us out to rot in order to get on the good side of the outrage mobs. We resigned in disgust and protest and then went about creating the Sietch. And here we are.
I was glad for the PM. For a time I was beginning to think Time had passed me by. The things I was taught growing up and learned in the US Navy were now being seen as antiquated and backwards. Then I saw in the PM that more people thought like me on SB So I mostly hung out there. And my Star Trek Thread because damn't I was not gonna let the Leftists take it.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
I guess I can just copy the explanation from one of my profile posts on SB:

Two years on the forums was enough to recognize their apparent slant. I stuck in CrW writing my own fanfic but then came the PM controversy. It was eye-opening to watch so many users jump on the "hail hydra" bandwagon and start throwing spergrage fits over a perceived years-long conspiracy to take over their precious forums. I saw Mandemon, a guy who I knew from time on another site as anything but conservative get attacked for a factual error in one of his posts trying to urge calm. All of it over some out of context screenshots (many of which were found to be fabrications). Additional glimpses into whitehall also hinted that the mods were being...spotty when it came to cracking down on more inflammatory posts.
On a more niche note...
Over in the specific realm of CrW I followed, I've observed some tendencies and preconceptions that are more than a little creatively stifling. Longtime members of a certain fandom being excessively on guard against "edgy" traits in a story or plot elements that are apparently overused. Meanwhile, the stories that have gotten their own threads this past year are almost exclusively SI's. The quality varies, but fuck, a different premise would be nice. If there's a larger issue across the whole board of trend chasing, I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, and it's fairly fashionable for people to dunk on certain older, popular fanfics that kickstarted the whole trend. There was minor shitstorm from people being willfully ignorant of one particular setting's details that blew up at least twice this past year.
And with all that in mind, I just kept off spacebattles apart from reading what few stories I like there.
The desire to know what happened with some of the mods who got the boot as a result of the PM controversy led me here after a short search. Because I can already tell that this site is more mentally sound, I may transfer some of my projects here just to be safe as SB cracks and splinters even further.
About your digression; I was an active member of Spacebattles for about six years, and I long ago noticed the trend chasing in Creative Writing. Honestly, I'm rather happy that the community has chosen to somewhat move on from writing countless Worm fanfics; I despise that story, and Self-Inserts happen to be one of my favorite fanfic tropes to read.



Simply put. I created the Conservative mega PM as a place to help Conservative members refine debating techniques. Back then I was still naive enough to believe that they were fully responsible for their own problems and so I wanted to help them. And for a little while it seemed to be working. And them came a sort of Eureka moment. The guys were talking with each other and realized 'hey this is great. We can talk, chill with each other and not get shit slung our way, awesome!' So it became a bit of a social hang out group. Focused more on Having fun and chilling rather than debating. Or if they did debate they'd do it amongst themselves. They didn't always agree with each other. But usually tried to rationally explain their points and counter points. Ironically in this way, fulfilling the original goals of the PM to begin with. Now there were some things said in The PM I should have never let slide but I did. What is said in PM is private and not actionable unless some is planning to Harass another member, hurt themselves or planning harm to others. Life, limb or eyesight. Things of that nature. And I was assured by SB staff I had broad discretion to handle internal problems as I saw fit as none of them aside from Peregy, Bullethead, LT_Ryguy and Lightning Count wanted to help. So it wasn't so much a big deal.

The Conservative MegaPM was always meant as a first step in my outreach program. I would start with them then I would create a Liberal one and then finally one where select members on both sides could talk behind the scenes. That was the goal at any rate. But I needed more help from the staff to pull it off, which of course I never got. And Whitehall got worse and worse.

Then came Horton. He was booted off SB due to cross forum stalking. We can infer his plan as one of simply wanting revenge against SB and to create Drama. We can also infer he wanted to grow his own forum and felt he could achieve both ends with one stroke. Because he knew that the Conservatives would be driven out of Whitehall and or SB altogether by the outrage Mobs. So he and a select few people, created the doctored images and then blew up the PM situation.

To be clear the PM was never secret. The entire staff knew about it to some degree and the one who game me the green light to start it was a senior administrator. And if asked directly I would have answered honestly. I suppose to the Staffs credit they DID actually debunk the screenshots. But when it became clear we were obviously the targets of a smear campaign they did nothing but leave us out to rot in order to get on the good side of the outrage mobs. We resigned in disgust and protest and then went about creating the Sietch. And here we are.
Honestly, I wish I'd have had the opportunity to join that PM; I'm not a conservative, but I would have appreciated the refuge from Whitehall and NSFD all the same. I ended up having to turn to QQ; and then, after they banned politics, Digital Wild West, which quickly turned into a ghost town. Also Horton was a mod there, and still is, for some reason; not that it matters anymore, considering he was last seen there back in August.



That feels narcissistic.
I'm fairly certain I've said this before about him, but I've long since come to the conclusion that Unhappy Anchovy is probably a condescending egotist, who desperately wants to come across as the voice of reason and authority in every room he enters.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
About your digression; I was an active member of Spacebattles for about six years, and I long ago noticed the trend chasing in Creative Writing. Honestly, I'm rather happy that the community has chosen to somewhat move on from writing countless Worm fanfics; I despise that story, and Self-Inserts happen to be one of my favorite fanfic tropes to read.

I honestly would like to see a fic where an SI humiliates Jack Slash and beats him bloody and Jack goes “That’s not funny”

That said, I think Wildbow himself is sorta Far Left leaning these days, weirdly he actually made the E88 and Fallen characters human and with issues of their own

Also, I think the number of people who actually read Worm has increased, less fanon noticed

Also, I like Eidolon but am weirded out by how he’s an ugly middle aged balding guy when I think he should look like a Superman or Batman actor
 

Spartan303

In Captain America we Trust!
Administrator
Staff Member
Founder
Osaul
Honestly, I wish I'd have had the opportunity to join that PM; I'm not a conservative, but I would have appreciated the refuge from Whitehall and NSFD all the same. I ended up having to turn to QQ; and then, after they banned politics, Digital Wild West, which quickly turned into a ghost town. Also Horton was a mod there, and still is, for some reason; not that it matters anymore, considering he was last seen there back in August.


That's the thing. I actually did invite people into the PM who weren't actually conservative. We went from Conservatives, to Libertarians and then Moderate democrats. What at first started off as needing to establish conservative credentials changed to 'hey this guy is cool lets bring him in.' And then others would throw their two cents in on it and we'd either send and offer or not.

Remember the Water Cooler on SB? How do you think that started? Some of the Smods came into the PM, saw what was going on and while they did raise some concerns, those concerns were based on the fact the active mentorship wasn't as prevalent as it should have been. Also, Odo being an idiot. But they gave their thumbs up and all was good. And to address the mentorship issue we simply abandoned the staff sanctioned PM and then created our second one just to talk politics and the like. I figured if at least 3 Smods were giving me the thumbs up then all was good. Hell, I was even trying to get Connor as a regular member. Certainly wouldn't have made some people happy but I felt he would have livened the place up.


As for QQ, I feel they did the smart thing in eradicating politics. No offense to Zoe or the others here, but I strongly argued we do the same. Politics brings out the worst in people and I felt it would do so here. So far I've been wrong on that front. Conservatives and Libertarians control the culture here and use that control to foster debate rather than shut it down. But that won't always be a guaranteed state of affairs. And i'm always leery of things sliding into SB lite.

But we will not become authoritarian. That is one thing the staff is fully united one. We've seen where that goes and its nothing good. And as for DW and FiC. Well...I've gotten some information on those fronts but cant comment on them due to confidentiality.
 

Crow gotta eat

That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
I joined because a story that I was reading on SB was being updated here, then I noticed that politics threads weren't dog-piling on politics similar to mine. So if I did ever want to state my opinion something, it at least wouldn't be argued immediately in bad faith.
 
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