United States Why are "squatter's rights" a thing?

[Scottty]

FL Governor Ron DeSantis (R) signed legislation banning squatters.

But how practical is that? Something something about the law prohibiting rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges.

 

[Skallagrim]

But how practical is that? Something something about the law prohibiting rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges.

Solution for all these issues: just bring back outlawry, and decree that any person committing certain acts is a homo sacer, and may be extrajudicially slain by anyone, with no legal consequence.

Problem solved. The honest citizens of any nation will readily accept the task of removing all the vermin. It'll be all done within the week.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Solution for all these issues: just bring back outlawry, and decree that any person committing certain acts is a homo sacer, and may be extrajudicially slain by anyone, with no legal consequence.

Problem solved. The honest citizens of any nation will readily accept the task of removing all the vermin. It'll be all done within the week.

Considering the Left's use of street thugs like Antifa, opening up street execution seems like far more poison than antidote. I could see a lot of "Oh I totally thought he was doing X act, so I broke into his house and killed him. So obviously I'm the hero here"

 

[Skallagrim]

Considering the Left's use of street thugs like Antifa, opening up street execution seems like far more poison than antidote. I could see a lot of "Oh I totally thought he was doing X act, so I broke into his house and killed him. So obviously I'm the hero here"

That's already happening. You try to reject my suggestion by raising -- as a supposedly hypothetical spectre -- a thing that is already real. But presently, it's only done by them, to us. I'm simply suggesting equality of arms. Because they already act outside the law, but somehow, still get to claim its protection regardless. I'm saying we should take that protection away. Those who step outside the law should no longer enjoy its benefits, either.

Put another way, more concretely: far-left thugs already illegaly occupy people's homes and loot hard-working people's shops. Constantly.

I'm saying that those good, upstanding people should be fully free to defend themselves and their property from the deluge of human trash that has already inundated society.

 

[King Arts]

Solution for all these issues: just bring back outlawry, and decree that any person committing certain acts is a homo sacer, and may be extrajudicially slain by anyone, with no legal consequence.

Problem solved. The honest citizens of any nation will readily accept the task of removing all the vermin. It'll be all done within the week.

This is a dumber idea than leaders of African shitholes do.

At least those war lords are smart enough to be able to put into practice their ideas.

The modern western right can’t do what you say for two reasons. First they are outnumbered so any random riot without government support will see them lose. Second is that the right is a simp for property rights and police forces. So outlawry won’t do what you want. Since many of the problem makers are rich liberal democrats.

A smarter idea is to copy Sulla and proscriptions use government power but also entice regular people to join up by offering rewards like giving half of the proscribed persons estate to the person who kills or brings him in instead of letting their heirs take it. But most conservatives respect the property rights of their enemies because they are dumb.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

That's already happening. You try to reject my suggestion by raising -- as a supposedly hypothetical spectre -- a thing that is already real. But presently, it's only done by them, to us. I'm simply suggesting equality of arms. Because they already act outside the law, but somehow, still get to claim its protection regardless. I'm saying we should take that protection away. Those who step outside the law should no longer enjoy its benefits, either.

Well my issue is, I suppose, two-fold. One I want to hinder their ability to perform street executions as much as possible. While our current situation is unequitable, and I agree worrisome, removing even the pretense of accountability seems more likely to increase such attacks rather than curb them.

Second, as you note, the issue predominantly is that the Law, or at least the Deep State therein, is allied with and encourages its footsoldiers by protecting them from the law as well as funding/paying their bail ect. As such its unlikely that, for instance, squatting would be included as one of the "acts" that can be punished with law-free homicide.

Rather it more likely would be such acts as belonging to "radical white supremist" groups or ideology of which the Left will define.

So short of simply declaring the US government null and void, and effectively fighting Civil War 2.0, I don't see how this would produce better results than focusing on local politics and dismantling the deep state from the ground up.

Put another way, more concretely: far-left thugs already illegaly occupy people's homes and loot hard-working people's shops. Constantly.

I'm saying that those good, upstanding people should be fully free to defend themselves and their property from the deluge of human trash that has already inundated society.

I would agree and I concur that where the Law fails Citizenry have to stand up. If police are unable, or unwilling, to stop thugs from looting shopkeepers then they'll have to with likely bloody consequences.

It's just that I see that problem primarily an issue of existing laws being enforced rather than fundamentally flawed. That more good can be done by correcting and reverse the rot infecting our body politic.

 

[Marduk]

The modern western right can’t do what you say for two reasons. First they are outnumbered so any random riot without government support will see them lose. Second is that the right is a simp for property rights and police forces. So outlawry won’t do what you want. Since many of the problem makers are rich liberal democrats.

There are no random riots.
Riots of the worst, BLM style kind are arranged and work in an area described as "mid level violence" which between a bunch of street activists, legal activists, and democrat disdain for law and order let leftists get away with rioting while their opponents are meant to be arrested and slandered by media for defending themselves with too much force.
If you escalate the rules to allow lead flying aka high level violence, that's no longer a riot at all, nevermind a random one.
Though outlawry is overkill for that, just an expansion of self defense law that trumps local leftist bullshit laws would work.
But guess what, the same jurisdictions that allow the "mid level violence" fuckery also are the ones most vehemently against self defense rights too.

A smarter idea is to copy Sulla and proscriptions use government power but also entice regular people to join up by offering rewards like giving half of the proscribed persons estate to the person who kills or brings him in instead of letting their heirs take it. But most conservatives respect the property rights of their enemies because they are dumb.

It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It existed in Rome with powerful criminal people having powerful private armies. We don't have a problem with leftists who are fugitives from the law in the country but no one can kill or bring them in.
We have a problem with lack of legal power of proscribing leftists. If they were proscribed, they would be getting a SWAT team or Delta squad trough the roof within hours even with existing laws regarding that and they would have no physical ability to prevent that.

Considering the Left's use of street thugs like Antifa, opening up street execution seems like far more poison than antidote. I could see a lot of "Oh I totally thought he was doing X act, so I broke into his house and killed him. So obviously I'm the hero here"

The main problem with bringing that back is that it's hard for the average citizen to accurately identify an outlaw on the street, so mistake cases would be crazy.