Shipmaster Sane
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Here's an axiom for your urban reality: cities are relics of the past that drive people violently insane and we never should have stopped what uncle billy started.
What Should The Right Wing Be?
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
You'll always have hubs of commerce and international trade, I'm afraid. Yes, it could perhaps become more spread out but it will concentrate in certain areas more than others, leading to cities.
That aside, I think a very good idea for the Right to embrace is that of National self reliance. Maintain international trade (no need to go full hermit kingdom), but try to at least make globalism not necessary to the economy's survival. We should be able to make what we need when we need it, which means the redevelopment of heavy industry. As part of this self sufficiency, I think we should embrace a "soft-militarism" that grants the nation military independence and not helpless dependence on allies in times of war. Hard power is not a bad thing, and bullets are more valuable than bank notes in certain situations. America will not be there forever, and we must prepare for that eventuality.
KilroywasNOTHere
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really? cause it seems like I have about as much in common with the right wing (At least those within it) as an apple has with an orange Both are fruit, but that's about the only thing.
quarantine has seriously made me question everything I thought I knew about humanity and frankly it wasn't for the better.
Morphic Tide
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The bar set for urban is not all that close to what the data has to say about the phenomena you're implying. New York City is something that needs to go, but cities by the modern definition are fundamentally here to stay. "Mid-sized" cities are still growing quite well, despite the mega-cities beginning to shrink, specifically because the hyper-density problems come well after the line for being urban.
Houston has historically had fairly little of the nonsense because it's been fed by military and industry rather than commerce (and has strongly Republican "minority" precincts, disproving the demographics argument), many university towns will still BTFO the nonsense because the people who live there want none of it despite the visiting students and faculty, and generally the issue is when you're packing millions like sardines as with Seattle and New York.
The thing is that the mind-fucking of the mega-cities comes with the people as they're driven out, so the solution is a generational process of preventing further mind-fuckery by getting people out of the mega-cities while keeping that rot from spreading to the smaller cities that do not produce it from their innate socioeconimic contexts. And Japan proves that the innate issues of the mega-cities lie in causal factors that can have very different results from the modern intersectional cancer currently trying to metastasize into the smaller cities and suburbs.
This isn't possible for most of the world simply because of required resources not being present within most single countries, but a slightly more Merchantilist outlook to international trade, and reversing the hyper-specialization and the presumption of global supply chains, is something that's very likely to happen soon enough. The moment outsourcing to China dies, the current status quo of globalization falls to pieces, because there just plain isn't anywhere else in the world that can serve that role to the supply chains. Nobody else will put up with that much shit, nobody else has that many people.
The reason why empires dominate history so much is because very few sensibly-cohesive landmasses have been economically self-sufficient, right back to the Bronze Age where no one region that could be culturally homogeneous had copper, tin, and food. The United States east of the Rockies is flat-out unique for having literally every single damn thing if you're willing to put up with copious amounts of Thorium in your heavy metal/rare earth deposits (we currently aren't because "muh radioactivity", China is and warehouses the nuclear material while shipping out the other stuff), and the Mississippi and coastline make holding that together once founded downright trivial.
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An important thing to note about my own personal views is that I'm very much heterodox, with most of my right-wing views being raw pragmatism of my answers to things on the left I don't want. Civic nationalism counteracts pretty much all the corrosion of the extreme left, and maintaining it means a requirement of some degree of cultural acclimation for political significance, so I support those on the basis of not wanting multicultural nonsense, not because I'm aligned with any flavor of Americanism dogmatically. If the data came up to show the masses can't understand science enough to keep the demagogues out, I'd back a technocratic mystery cult replacing the current academia in a heartbeat, despite my distaste for religion.
Consequently, my view of what the Right "should be" is entirely a matter of what subsets and adjustments of Right-wing thought seem most likely to attain political success while still respecting what it means to be "right-wing" in some capacity, signaled well by my statement that the Right should find its own solutions, utterly separate from the Left's, to the same underlying drives behind urban politics so as to be able to win urban votes.
It's not enough to attack the nonsense, you have to offer an alternative that will actually be accepted. Campaign on attacking the issues of the "behind the mask" politics making city living more hellish, using the tools of the Right to specifically and openly go after the issues of the Left wherever possible, so as to remove as many options of the Left as can be managed, and the Left will likely do the same of answering the issues of the Right's constituencies.
That's my goal. Using the restructuring of the Right to provoke issues-based politics, where both sides address the same problems in different ways, thereby leading to a pursuit of the best possible state for the population at large. Vulnerable to the "Other People's Money" problem, but induction into the proletariat can offer a much greater degree of wealth to work with than simple handouts because some wealth is generated, so "workfare" systems naturally have larger budgets.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Trade and comerce is growing less and less tied to physical hubs by the day, it has for the last two decades. The city is no longer a center of production, a center of knowledge, a military strongpoint or a meaningfully necessary seat of power. At this point even the shipping process is more hindered by the bloated mass clinging to the ports than helped. We just have them because we had them, the wreck is sailing on its own momentum. They suck in resource and shit out madness.
KilroywasNOTHere
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makes me wonder how long it will be till human's themselves are obsolete. We don't even need a true AI just a faux one capable of sustaining itself.
The Name of Love
Far Right Nutjob
I mean, Nick Land claims that capitalism is an evil AI sent from the future that's designed to slowly eradicate and replace humanity. Or something.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Let me trigger a few sci fi circle jerkers here and let you in on a little secret: there's no law of the universe that says you can build the fantasy super AI computers. Sometimes you just hit the point of diminishing returns, we're having enough problems keeping our smartest computers from melting themselves, there could very well be no next breakthrough, no next step. The universe doesn't give you a nice neat power curve to infinity. You never know when you're going to hit a wall, and if that wall is just *it*.
KilroywasNOTHere
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so hummanity dies with a whimper...yay....
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Maybe it does maybe it doesn't, there's never a guarantee of a next step foreword.
King Krávoka
An infection of Your universe.
Everyone already has feminism. In today's world, there are the feminists, the radical feminists, and the people who won't achieve anything. Most of the people who will read this thread don't even realize that they're feminists. You have no hope of uprooting feminist ideology, you now have to undermine the idea that certain institutions have the best interests of women. Fetus trafficking wasn't scandalous for its ethics, it was morally sound by its internal logic, but because it stained the abortion industry's "medical service" optics for people to realize that they were an organ harvesting ring.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Everybody but the followers of the most feminist religion of peace that's beloved by feminists everywhere in the West, which so happens to restrict movement, say that they need four women to match one man's testimony, only recently allowed them to drive cars and requires they be covered up from head to toe because seeing their hair makes men evil rapists
Yeah, plenty of us are to a degree feminist, but that's only because at some point we decide to treat them as fellow humans and thus don't really let them get away with shit just because they're women.
Only way to be MORE Feminist, is to give them special treatment and lower standards
Shipmaster Sane
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>he doesn't know most women *want* to be chained up in the kitchen
Also feminism does not get to claim the very concept of egalitarianism. This is like when pinkos try to claim the concept of sharing. Feminism is a group you have to self identify as a part of. Most people, most women, do not identify as feminist.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
So, Sharia Law is Feminist? Knew it
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
That's supposed to be every single person, or at the very minimum every single man. There's not supposed to be a special warrior caste "in charge of security" while the "normal people" get to grill and be comfy, every single citizen should be armed and prepared to act in their own defense, and at this point, those who are not deserve everything that happens to them.
Lanmandragon
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Yep I was going to say this but you beat me. We infact did have militias two even counting Patriots Pride the left controls the cities.
Shipmaster Sane
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The point is moot because historically when right wing militants and left wing militants clash, you get lots of dead left wing militants and the courts are the least of your problems.
Left wingers have historically and reliably suffered untennable levels attrition when confronted with enemies capable of meaningful resistance.
KilroywasNOTHere
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As much as Cyberpunk says it's a bad Idea, I'm starting to think Private business's having their own private Militia may not be that bad of an idea, especially given the existence of gangs and the general...ineffectiveness of the police. As the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
Shipmaster Sane
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You, like Tim Pool and people who call themselves moderates, just don't understand what the left and the right even are, or what they represent. There can be disagreement within the left and right, but the spectrum within them is not continuous between right and left, it's more up-vs-down, so to speak.
The questions they answer are yes or no, and deadly chaos hangs in the balance. They are not opinions, they are divergent assertions of black and white yes or no facts that govern how people should be allowed to exist to prevent mass death. One of them, therefore, is correct objectively, and one is incorrect. If you choose the wrong one, everyone dies.
Every time the left dominates a society we get a genocide. That's the one that's wrong.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Thing with Far Left aligned companies seems to be, I think they'll simply leave their employees, even among the more important ones and their workplaces to be slaughtered
They're heads will live FAR away from the trouble and riots
Because they're confident that they can hide behind their walls and that the trucks and stores that are smashed, won't dent their funds for their lifestyles by much