What If? What if the Predator Race is put on trial

[Ash's Boomstick]

I’m pretty sure you’ve given infractions to people for posting anti gay arguments so forgive me if I don’t take you at your word about being “apolitical”
I know Spartan used to be a mod there but he actually was not favoring one side over the other unlike most other spacebattles mods.

Ok I'll explain my way of thinking as a mod back then it may help, if I believed that someone was breaching the rules, it didn't matter who it was, they were hit with an infraction. I hit staff members, newcomers, people who had been there for longer than I had. Every one of them was if I believed they be punished, that was it.

Sometimes I may have been wrong, I'm only a human and quite often I was doing the job of a half dozen or more moderators, occasionally having to do over one hundred reports in two days because no-one else could be bothered. If people wanted to complain about it or ask for an appeal, I would go over it with them and with the SMODs.

There were times that I was overruled one way or another, if I thought someone else was wrong I'd be ignored even if it turned out afterwards that I was in fact right. It was having to deal with people from all sides of the political spectrum that had me decide enough was enough.

I also would like to point out that Spartan is a very old friend, I am also one of those who championed him for his position on Spacebattles, he is very fair and I defended him to those who said otherwise, he was screwed over by the staff on that site as were others.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Should replace the Jury with something that can be sympathetic and yet persuaded to not condemn hostile Xenos to death if given the chance by an omnipotent. After all there is that one legal practice of being judged by a jury of your peers.

And since Yautja jurors likely won't self-incriminate to genocide it should be some other Warrior race or races instead that can be considered somewhat peerish and yet not completely reflective of the Yautja way of life (so no Hirogen).

But something like a Jury of Mandalorians or Klingons or the like.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

But something like a Jury of Mandalorians or Klingons or the like.

Citizens of The All Systems Common Wealth tbh.

Since they have the idealism of the UFP but grounded in the realities of having to run an empire that spans 3 galaxies and is filled with and founded by some of the more violent martial cultures in that setting.

They'd be able to be impartial.

Except the Netzcheans on the Jury might think the Preds were retarded. But that shouldn't impact their ruling too much.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Back in the jury room.

"Look I'm a proud father of the Orca pride...like any Orca I enjoy seasonal Magog hunting with my sons as much as the next male, but pursuing Klooges for sport, handicapping yourself and then committing suicide to compensate for your own genetic mediocrity? Maybe we should be thinking about sterilizing a species this irrational as opposed to convicting them for their insanity?"

 

[King Arts]

Are people maybe flanderizing Spartans I mean master chief is able to talk rationally with the arbiter. Unlike 40k where there would be retarded screeching of the word xenos again and again.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Are people maybe flanderizing Spartans I mean master chief is able to talk rationally with the arbiter. Unlike 40k where there would be retarded screeching of the word xenos again and again.

these are spartan IIIs aka the people who had their families brutally killed by aliens

 

[Free-Stater 101]

First off asshole if you are talking to someone quote them.
Second what bullshit retards like you were part of the problem that allowed liberal groomers to spread. Apolitical yeah right.

Ok I will quote if that is what you want.

In case you didn't notice I said I left the forum due to its politics, I do not follow one side or another, especially American politics due to not being an American myself. In fact I was not aware of what was happening there regarding the left/right conflict due to a prolonged time away from the site. Now I will ask you to please refrain from attacking me, I left that site because as far as I was concerned politics should have had nothing to do with a science fiction forum.

In fact I have been asked to return to SB to take up a position again and i said no because of said politics, its choking the place and honestly I can't say I'd be shocked if it went the way of the dodo one day.

Stop, we have received over three reports in less than thirty minutes and currently we are sifting through the mess any attempt further to grow it will lead to an infraction.

 

[Sailor.X]

Klingon's are arguably more brutal than the Yautja. Less honorable and more inhumane and they also keep trophies from their vanquished dead. The only difference is that Yautja give every opportunity they can to a prey sentient to fight back and they hold themselves back when they engage them. Klingons just..fuck'n slaughter you then make necklaces out of your neckbones.

Hell Federation humans are arguably more brutal.

See them horse trading backwaters for Cardassian peace and condemning their own citizens to torture, abuse and wrongful imprisonment and enslavement. Or...really anything the Federation does when it decides to get serious.



So do the Hirogen but Q's never nuked them from existence.



He might honestly dismiss the case on the grounds that...handicapping yourself and shooting up drug dealers..is the least screwed up thing a race as ancient as the Yautja has done to humans in his experiences.

"Wait really? Damn I wish the Vorlons just went on a killing spree in East LA...instead of raping our DNA and condemning us to be their mangled successors"

From what we see in TNG Q only interacts with Races that have potential to be better. It is why Q focused on Humanity with several tests. Any trial of another race would be for the same reasons. Q wants to see if the Yautja can move from the stagnation they are in and really develop as a Galactic Civilization. Their current culture is holding them back. It is one of the reasons that when Yautja go after engineers they get their asses handed to them. A race that evolves it's culture will always be able to overcome threats. The Hirogen are what will happen to the Yautja if they continue down the path they are on. The Hirogen are going culturally extinct.

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

The issue with the Spartans IIIs is not only were their families wiped out by aliens, but they themselves have undergone genetic and chemical changes to their bodies that are both unstable and dangerous, this caused mental imbalances and increased psychological damage if not strictly controlled with medication. However this increased their aggression and hostility to dangerous levels, which combined with their physical changes made them the ideal disposable soldier to Oni (Who really should be in the dock here themselves), they are not suited mentally or sociologically to what is being done here being unstable mentally unhinged teenagers with no regard to anything except fighting and orders.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

A race that evolves it's culture will always be able to overcome threats. The Hirogen are what will happen to the Yautja if they continue down the path they are on. The Hirogen are going culturally extinct.

And as Dark Horse and the continuitties that really made AVP lore. The most consistent ones. Proved...

The Yautja have been doing this for longer than most species have existed and it hasn't really stagnated their technological progress. If anything its their insanely long lives and near perfect health that would stagnate them. Well that and all their females are psychotic rapists who often kill their weaker offspring.

That retarded movie where they wanted to clone aspies aside.

I get your point though as to the trial itself. Its...I don't think Sheridan would let it go forward.

 

[King Arts]

From what we see in TNG Q only interacts with Races that have potential to be better. It is why Q focused on Humanity with several tests. Any trial of another race would be for the same reasons. Q wants to see if the Yautja can move from the stagnation they are in and really develop as a Galactic Civilization. Their current culture is holding them back. It is one of the reasons that when Yautja go after engineers they get their asses handed to them. A race that evolves it's culture will always be able to overcome threats. The Hirogen are what will happen to the Yautja if they continue down the path they are on. The Hirogen are going culturally extinct.

I always saw it as Q would judge a race by their own standards he called the humans in the federation barbaric and violent and tested them to see if they could hold to their value of diplomacy and reason. The reason he called them violent is because the human society in Star Trek sees such things as bad and sees diplomatic efforts scientifically advancing and peace good. Q won’t judge a violent race like Klingons predators or mandolorians and charge them with violence, because the answer is duh. He’d see what their culture considers wrong and accuse them of failing to live up to their own ideology. So a proud warriors race would be accused of dishonor or cowardice or something.

The issue with the Spartans IIIs is not only were their families wiped out by aliens, but they themselves have undergone genetic and chemical changes to their bodies that are both unstable and dangerous, this caused mental imbalances and increased psychological damage if not strictly controlled with medication. However this increased their aggression and hostility to dangerous levels, which combined with their physical changes made them the ideal disposable soldier to Oni (Who really should be in the dock here themselves), they are not suited mentally or sociologically to what is being done here being unstable mentally unhinged teenagers with no regard to anything except fighting and orders.

I mean doesn’t a lot of that also apply to the 2’s the augmentations were even newer. The main difference between the 2 and 3s seem to be that 2s received more training and thus got some more advanced stuff since the 3s were seen as a bit more expendable. I mean in Halo reach Noble team seemed stable and did not seem like basket cases.

 

[Sailor.X]

I always saw it as Q would judge a race by their own standards he called the humans in the federation barbaric and violent and tested them to see if they could hold to their value of diplomacy and reason. The reason he called them violent is because the human society in Star Trek sees such things as bad and sees diplomatic efforts scientifically advancing and peace good. Q won’t judge a violent race like Klingons predators or mandolorians and charge them with violence, because the answer is duh. He’d see what their culture considers wrong and accuse them of failing to live up to their own ideology. So a proud warriors race would be accused of dishonor or cowardice or something.


I mean doesn’t a lot of that also apply to the 2’s the augmentations were even newer. The main difference between the 2 and 3s seem to be that 2s received more training and thus got some more advanced stuff since the 3s were seen as a bit more expendable. I mean in Halo reach Noble team seemed stable and did not seem like basket cases.

The Yautja see themselves as honorable but Q could easily point out that most of the time the Prey don't even know they are being hunted. They are just going about their business then they get yeeted. A truly honorable race would announce their presence and let the Sentient prey know they intend to hunt them and give them time to get prepared. He would call their whole honor code into question.

 

[Ash's Boomstick]

I mean doesn’t a lot of that also apply to the 2’s the augmentations were even newer. The main difference between the 2 and 3s seem to be that 2s received more training and thus got some more advanced stuff since the 3s were seen as a bit more expendable. I mean in Halo reach Noble team seemed stable and did not seem like basket cases.

The Spartan IIs didn't have the same augmentations as the IIIs, for example they didn't have the chemical based ones that made them aggressive and difficult. But you are correct that Noble Team weren't as bad, so it is possible that they were either able to solve that problem with those few or they were given slightly different or maybe more augmentations to bring them up to the Spartan II standard. They were also in the program longer and were a lot older by the time we saw them, with the first few companies already having been wiped out, so its also possible that their experience improved their lot.

The issue is still that there are only a very few stable SIIIs out there, plus are there enough still alive altogether to make up a Jury?

 

[Sailor.X]

Q can select members for the trial from any point in history. Death is really not an issue for Q.

 

[Battlegrinder]

The Yautja see themselves as honorable but Q could easily point out that most of the time the Prey don't even know they are being hunted. They are just going about their business then they get yeeted. A truly honorable race would announce their presence and let the Sentient prey know they intend to hunt them and give them time to get prepared. He would call their whole honor code into question.

Eh, that's using a very particular definition of "honor", one they might not share, particularly in the context of hunting.

Real hunters cheat like hell, using camouflage, bait, advanced weapons, and other technologies to tilt the odds in their favor, and none of that is considered wrong. What's consisered bad amoung hunters is killing prey cruelly, hunting animals that are young or caring for offspring, don't hunt so much you wipe out the target game, among other stuff (IDK what, I don't hunt). I don't think they would use the term, but real hunters have a code of honor.

And the predators definitely bend or break a few of those rules. Checking the rules for what's considered Fair Chase, predators violate several of them.

- Hunting prey that's trapped in an escape proof area or enclosure (Predators)
- Using nets, snares and other traps (Netgun)
- Kill quickly and cleanly (repeatedly violated, most notable by the netgun, again)

 

[The Whispering Monk]

And the predators definitely bend or break a few of those rules. Checking the rules for what's considered Fair Chase, predators violate several of them.

- Hunting prey that's trapped in an escape proof area or enclosure (Predators)
- Using nets, snares and other traps (Netgun)
- Kill quickly and cleanly (repeatedly violated, most notable by the netgun, again)

1. Have you ever heard of a 'Hunting Lease'?
2. Hunters/Trappers use these all the time.
3. Try to, doesn't work out that way all the time. And most Predators don't do this.

 

[Bear Ribs]

That version of Fair Chase is pretty much just the code of the Boone and Crockett club, it's hardly universal and also includes some stipulations that some will consider really odd, like not killing anything that's swimming and not using any vehicle or boat... which would imply that all fishing, ever, is a violation of Fair Chase though I'd guess they simply define fishing as "not hunting" for their purposes.

The more universal codes humans use are basically "Don't kill the young or nursing," "Don't cause undue suffering," and "Animal should have some chance to escape."

Even that's somewhat variable, where I live f'rex they strongly encourage taking does over bucks because deer are multiplying faster than hunters can kill them, and every single rule is cast aside if you're killing hogs because those things are spreading like locusts and destroying the land.

 

[Battlegrinder]

1. Have you ever heard of a 'Hunting Lease'?

No. Like I said, I'm not a hunter.

2. Hunters/Trappers use these all the time.

Hunters and trappers hunting for food or pelts, yes. I don't think sporting hunters do.

I'd guess they simply define fishing as "not hunting" for their purposes.

I don't think most people consider hunting and fishing to be the same thing?

Even that's somewhat variable, where I live f'rex they strongly encourage taking does over bucks because deer are multiplying faster than hunters can kill them, and every single rule is cast aside if you're killing hogs because those things are spreading like locusts and destroying the land.

I don't think the Doe thing breaks the main rules, and hog hunting is more pest control than sport hunting.

 

[Sailor.X]

Eh, that's using a very particular definition of "honor", one they might not share, particularly in the context of hunting.

Real hunters cheat like hell, using camouflage, bait, advanced weapons, and other technologies to tilt the odds in their favor, and none of that is considered wrong. What's consisered bad amoung hunters is killing prey cruelly, hunting animals that are young or caring for offspring, don't hunt so much you wipe out the target game, among other stuff (IDK what, I don't hunt). I don't think they would use the term, but real hunters have a code of honor.

And the predators definitely bend or break a few of those rules. Checking the rules for what's considered Fair Chase, predators violate several of them.

- Hunting prey that's trapped in an escape proof area or enclosure (Predators)
- Using nets, snares and other traps (Netgun)
- Kill quickly and cleanly (repeatedly violated, most notable by the netgun, again)

Yep but the things most humans hunt aren't sapient. They are just animals. They don't have vehicles. They don't have spaceships. They don't have any kind of advanced technology. The Predators are hunting sapient races and that is the point of contention Q is trying to get them to change.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

No. Like I said, I'm not a hunter.

A hunting lease or game preserve is a property that's fenced in where hunters lease time to hunt game on. Not a lot of 'sport' in that to me. Course, there's not a lot of sport in most hunting these days. Which leads me to...

Yep but the things most humans hunt aren't sapient. They are just animals. They don't have vehicles. They don't have spaceships. They don't have any kind of advanced technology. The Predators are hunting sapient races and that is the point of contention Q is trying to get them to change.

The sapience is exactly WHY the Predators hunt them. It's a challenge where-in their own lives are at risk.