What If? What if the Predator Race is put on trial

Ash's Boomstick

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Like any major Court the Yautja will get 3 Appeals before their sentence is carried out. Both the Prosecution and Defense will argue both sides before the Q Continuum. So they get the same chances to get it overturned as defendants in the US do.

No-one knows how any of this works, sat least give each side an actual lawyer.
 

Sailor.X

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No-one knows how any of this works, sat least give each side an actual lawyer.
Starfleet Officers can and do have military tribunals. This trial is effectively that. Notice how all the Prosecution, Defense, Judge and Jury are all military personnel. And Officers in such setting can fill those roles.

Hate to say it but this trial is rigged. The Defense have an absolutely colossal uphill battle they can not win. Spartan 3s as the Jury!? They'll vote guilty as a matter of principle. And, as far as I know, we don't even know if the entire race is like that.
All we know about Yautja Culture is how it is presented in the comics. Predator society seems to be like Klingon society on steroids.
 

Ash's Boomstick

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Starfleet Officers can and do have military tribunals. This trial is effectively that. Notice how all the Prosecution, Defense, Judge and Jury are all military personnel. And Officers in such setting can fill those roles.

Yes they do and usually those officers are member of the Judge Advocate General's office (granted not always in Trek) which is a specific area of the military dedicated to the legal profession.
 

Sailor.X

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Yes they do and usually those officers are member of the Judge Advocate General's office (granted not always in Trek) which is a specific area of the military dedicated to the legal profession.
Starfleet really doesn't have a JAG Corps anymore. It seems after the 23rd Century things like JAG, Special Operations Starfleet Corps of Engineers are all done by regular Starfleet Officers. You can thank Roddenberry for that. It was all his idea.
 

Husky_Khan

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The question is I suppose are there any potential arguments or strategies that could convince the 'Xenocidal' jury of Spartan 3's of the Yautja's charges being dismissed or exonerated that isn't basically hoping that Q will grant a mistrial to his own Kangaroo Court?
 

Atarlost

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Except when we see them in Measure of a Man and The Drumhead (possibly) and at least one episode of DS9 and one of Voyager at the very least mention the JAG, not sure if we see anything after that. And yes Roddenbury was quite a moron.
Measure of a Man also has Picard and Riker acting as lawyers so the JAG corps doesn't have the monopoly on that in Starfleet.
 

Ash's Boomstick

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Measure of a Man also has Picard and Riker acting as lawyers so the JAG corps doesn't have the monopoly on that in Starfleet.

It also goes against established rules and regulations of a court, whoever wrote it didn't know much about law at all. I believe they were pretty much forced into it because there were no other JAG personnel in the area, which is very much against the rule both in a military (yes Starfleet is a military) and civilian court.
 

Lord Sovereign

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The worst the Yautja deserve is a cuff round the ears. Yes they are hunters, rather brutal ones at that, but they are small potatoes in most science fiction. They aren't Daleks, they aren't the Flood, they are big game hunters in space.

And, as I understand it with Spartan 3s, certain Astartes Chapters could probably provide a more impartial jury. I'd suggest looking elsewhere in that regard.
 

King Arts

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It also goes against established rules and regulations of a court, whoever wrote it didn't know much about law at all. I believe they were pretty much forced into it because there were no other JAG personnel in the area, which is very much against the rule both in a military (yes Starfleet is a military) and civilian court.
This is a pretty stupid statement. First of all the law is completely subjective, it's not an objective part of reality. Star Fleet's legal proceedings can be very different than U.S. courts.(probably better too) just like Sharia or Ancient Jewish courts are completely different than modern courts. So how can you say it is against the rules? Unless they printed out Starfleet's code of laws and it contradicts what is on the show they did not get it wrong.
Also is starfleet a military? Yes they have officers, but it can operate far diffrently to modern militaries. They could be a little like the Japanese where it's not officially an army and you can quit.
 

Ash's Boomstick

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Its quite obvious that the laws as shown in series are based on current day legal practices because it wouldn't be anything else, people have to follow the plot and creating random laws out of nowhere is not going to let that happen. The entire series is set out like that, for hundreds maybe thousands of years people have had to have training to count as a legal representative and I highly doubt it will ever change. The Federation and Starfleet have stupid laws and hypocritical rules just like the current day, so don't put them on a pedestal, they are as likely to screw up as anyone.

The fact is that Starfleet is a military, it has a rank structure identical to that of most western militaries, it uses large ships with very heavy armament to defend the area they have sworn an oath to protect. This isn't the coastguard and it sure as hell isn't a scientific flotilla like the ships that travel to Antarctica on a regular basis, up until TNG they even used technical terms for military craft. This argument is one that trek fans have had for years and especially in the last ten to twenty years or so, its been shown just how militarised Starfleet can get.
 

King Arts

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Its quite obvious that the laws as shown in series are based on current day legal practices because it wouldn't be anything else, people have to follow the plot and creating random laws out of nowhere is not going to let that happen. The entire series is set out like that, for hundreds maybe thousands of years people have had to have training to count as a legal representative and I highly doubt it will ever change. The Federation and Starfleet have stupid laws and hypocritical rules just like the current day, so don't put them on a pedestal, they are as likely to screw up as anyone.

The fact is that Starfleet is a military, it has a rank structure identical to that of most western militaries, it uses large ships with very heavy armament to defend the area they have sworn an oath to protect. This isn't the coastguard and it sure as hell isn't a scientific flotilla like the ships that travel to Antarctica on a regular basis, up until TNG they even used technical terms for military craft. This argument is one that trek fans have had for years and especially in the last ten to twenty years or so, its been shown just how militarised Starfleet can get.
You seem to be uneducated. No historically the law profession was not as regulated as in the modern day where all lawyers have to go to law school and that was the primary job. Abraham Lincoln was self taught for the most part. Also what the star fleet legal code might be more simplified than the stupidly over complex laws we have now, so many educated people can serve as lawyers and judges which might be a requirement for officers in star fleet.

Also no star fleet wouldn’t fuck up as badly as us, because they know they have human weakness and won’t get stuck in forever wars with primitives like we do in the Middle East.
As for star fleet being a military just because it has been militarized doesn’t mean it’s military. The police have been militarization cops still aren’t soldiers.

And your name you wouldn’t happen to be a mod from spacebattles would you?
 

Ash's Boomstick

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Your knowledge is not the same as I have, likely due to a different upbringing and culture.

And yes, I used to be several years ago before i decided that politics was taking the place over too much (I'm apolitical) and had it out with the other staff for their actions, laziness and other bullshit I won't go into.
 

King Arts

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Your knowledge is not the same as I have, likely due to a different upbringing and culture.

And yes, I used to be several years ago before i decided that politics was taking the place over too much (I'm apolitical) and had it out with the other staff for their actions, laziness and other bullshit I won't go into.
First off asshole if you are talking to someone quote them.
Second what bullshit retards like you were part of the problem that allowed liberal groomers to spread. Apolitical yeah right.
 

Ash's Boomstick

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First off asshole if you are talking to someone quote them.
Second what bullshit retards like you were part of the problem that allowed liberal groomers to spread. Apolitical yeah right.

Ok I will quote if that is what you want.

In case you didn't notice I said I left the forum due to its politics, I do not follow one side or another, especially American politics due to not being an American myself. In fact I was not aware of what was happening there regarding the left/right conflict due to a prolonged time away from the site. Now I will ask you to please refrain from attacking me, I left that site because as far as I was concerned politics should have had nothing to do with a science fiction forum.

In fact I have been asked to return to SB to take up a position again and i said no because of said politics, its choking the place and honestly I can't say I'd be shocked if it went the way of the dodo one day.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Umm...that just means Klingons, Cardassians, Humans, and pretty much every race gets sent to that prison as well. What Predators do is probably better when compared to what the rest of those races have done in universe.

Klingon's are arguably more brutal than the Yautja. Less honorable and more inhumane and they also keep trophies from their vanquished dead. The only difference is that Yautja give every opportunity they can to a prey sentient to fight back and they hold themselves back when they engage them. Klingons just..fuck'n slaughter you then make necklaces out of your neckbones.

Hell Federation humans are arguably more brutal.

See them horse trading backwaters for Cardassian peace and condemning their own citizens to torture, abuse and wrongful imprisonment and enslavement. Or...really anything the Federation does when it decides to get serious.

Humans already passed Qs trial. Predators don't have seem to get the you don't hunt Sentient technologically advanced races for sport. That is what will get them convicted. Preds do it for sport.

So do the Hirogen but Q's never nuked them from existence.

"The Judge: Captain Sheridan (B5)"

This is actually a far choice, Sheridan is a diplomat and a soldier and experienced with all kinds of things, what he is not is a law-expert which would really have his choice a little 'iffy'.

He might honestly dismiss the case on the grounds that...handicapping yourself and shooting up drug dealers..is the least screwed up thing a race as ancient as the Yautja has done to humans in his experiences.

"Wait really? Damn I wish the Vorlons just went on a killing spree in East LA...instead of raping our DNA and condemning us to be their mangled successors"
 

King Arts

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Ok I will quote if that is what you want.

In case you didn't notice I said I left the forum due to its politics, I do not follow one side or another, especially American politics due to not being an American myself. In fact I was not aware of what was happening there regarding the left/right conflict due to a prolonged time away from the site. Now I will ask you to please refrain from attacking me, I left that site because as far as I was concerned politics should have had nothing to do with a science fiction forum.

In fact I have been asked to return to SB to take up a position again and i said no because of said politics, its choking the place and honestly I can't say I'd be shocked if it went the way of the dodo one day.
I’m pretty sure you’ve given infractions to people for posting anti gay arguments so forgive me if I don’t take you at your word about being “apolitical”
I know Spartan used to be a mod there but he actually was not favoring one side over the other unlike most other spacebattles mods.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
And yeah at least if you accept Dark Horse as canon..

The Yautja are actually one of the oldest sentient races in the universe. To where they likely would have hunted primeval Vorlons had they universe crossing technology.

And Marvel did this stupid comic where the Yautja as a race were a sociological version of Galactus...showing up to prune species and advance their martial prowess. But that shit's non canon..so.
 

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