What do you think the US military budget should be?

Zachowon

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Why not give a Arnold Schwarzenegger one liner? It would be as informative and well thought out as this post.

Allies don't just exist to help you 'in wars' they also exist to dissuade other countries by making a war with your country or another country seem not worth it. (NATO VS. Warsaw pact ring a bell?)

In Poland's case NATO's case for example, it exist to keep Russia from slowly gobbling up Europe one country at a time which isn't in the U.S.'s best interest policy or economic wise.

If you want to clearly show me that a complete withdraw into isolation would help the U.S. then please explain how the massive realignment of other countries in Trade and economics would help U.S. industry to grow rather than you know involve a massive amounts of tariff's slapped onto our goods by other powers to strangle are industries in the bed.

Because in the end if you can't prove anything you have nothing but a wish.
To add in, We are still at war with nK, so staying in South korea as an Ally is important. Add in the fact the seas would have major Piracy issues arriving throughout the world, which makes countries have to re establish thier Navies for Blue water to support ships in the oceans,

China goes uncontested and we lose Allies, like Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. There goes Samsung, Nintendo, Sony, LG, etc. as they would pull out of the US.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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Tariffs on our goods? The Reserve Currency peg is a built in 20 percent tariff on the top. That is there due to the whole NATO scheme.

Have you ever heard of Huawei? Look into Huawei and 5G and that's just one matter among many. See the payoff in overwhelming gratitude from the deadbeat NATO countries for 75 years of sheltering under the eagle's wing. Smell the smell of German and French treachery. No, they are not helping.

So how's that balance of trade in the EU? Terrible. Hundreds of millions flowing their way every year, on top of our defense spending. We get nothing from this association but the shaft. Our industry does fine for itself, but it can't compete so long as the Dollar is the reserve currency and has a built in 20 percent downside for domestic manufacturing, so they offshore! A great deal for everyone... oh, wait.

Hegemony and Empires are great little moneymakers for the investor class but not so good for the 'servant' class. We have a service economy now, don't you know. It was announced by George the First in his 'New World Order' speech, and fully implemented by Bill, so 'learn to code.'

Empires are funny things, the British Empire for example got rich but the British people not so much compared to the USA, Australia and Canada. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to match my wage with that paid in Vietnam.

NATO might be worth something, but not at the present price-tag and not at the unequal trade balance that we have maintained to nurture these economies in the postwar period. The whole situation and reason for its being has changed and its further utility is debatable. Certainly not as the shield over an EU superstate that has an intellectual leadership class that despises the USA and would instantly pile on any misfortune that they could bring to us. I would trust the Russians before them.

Russia is no danger to nuclear armed Europe. Much the reverse in fact. Merkle and the EU have been aggressively expanding East and the Russian Federation does not want a German army on its border. NATO, in the person of GHW Bush, swore never to set foot East of Germany and Clinton used NATO to attack the Serbs, proving that the US is too schizophrenic to be trusted.

All Russian military moves are reactions to aggression, reactions that have been carefully stripped of context by western media and portrayed as pure aggression.

The Germans have long planned to create the EU as a true nation-state with its own army, and the Russians are unenthusiastic about a German army on its border. I share their lack of enthusiasm.

To the East, we have the argument that Samsung would go away, along with Sony, Nintendo etc.

What a shame that would be for them to go the way of Ampex, Zenith, Motorola, and all the other electronic giants that once existed in the US and couldn't compete against MITI and direct support from the Japanese and Korean States. Losing that foriegn vampire sucking money out would be tragic.

Those pirates would be coming over the rail of all those American ships and killing all those American sailors... Oh, wait, there are only a handful of US flag boomers. Pirates are not an American problem. Only American problems should be addressed by American arms.
 
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Lord Sovereign

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As world hegemon, America would be deeply unwise to lower its budget. Its vast military might is what maintains the current Pax Americana and secures its interests overseas. I would personally buff it up to 4% of GDP so as to cover various holes in equipment, wages, personnel, and to have the money available to replace the aging Nimitiz class carriers. Granted, it's a miracle the US spends over 3% of GDP on its military which means it takes Defence seriously. Name a European country that does that. Even a lot of Asian countries, with China breathing down their necks, don't put their money where it's needed.

Then there is also the matter of "once you've lost it, you aren't getting it back." Politicians don't seem to get it but armies and fleets take years of money, blood sweat and tears to build, and one Defence Review to destroy. Then when war inevitably comes, they realise to their horror they cannot snap their fingers and have an army.
 

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As world hegemon, America would be deeply unwise to lower its budget. Its vast military might is what maintains the current Pax Americana and secures its interests overseas. I would personally buff it up to 4% of GDP so as to cover various holes in equipment, wages, personnel, and to have the money available to replace the aging Nimitiz class carriers. Granted, it's a miracle the US spends over 3% of GDP on its military which means it takes Defence seriously. Name a European country that does that. Even a lot of Asian countries, with China breathing down their necks, don't put their money where it's needed.

Then there is also the matter of "once you've lost it, you aren't getting it back." Politicians don't seem to get it but armies and fleets take years of money, blood sweat and tears to build, and one Defence Review to destroy. Then when war inevitably comes, they realise to their horror they cannot snap their fingers and have an army.
This. This is why one should not lower the US Army..or the military in general. Doing so will make us vulnerable. To vulnerable.

Tariffs on our goods? The Reserve Currency peg is a built in 20 percent tariff on the top. That is there due to the whole NATO scheme.

Have you ever heard of Huawei? Look into Huawei and 5G and that's just one matter among many. See the payoff in overwhelming gratitude from the deadbeat NATO countries for 75 years of sheltering under the eagle's wing. Smell the smell of German and French treachery. No, they are not helping.

So how's that balance of trade in the EU? Terrible. Hundreds of millions flowing their way every year, on top of our defense spending. We get nothing from this association but the shaft. Our industry does fine for itself, but it can't compete so long as the Dollar is the reserve currency and has a built in 20 percent downside for domestic manufacturing, so they offshore! A great deal for everyone... oh, wait.

Hegemony and Empires are great little moneymakers for the investor class but not so good for the 'servant' class. We have a service economy now, don't you know. It was announced by George the First in his 'New World Order' speech, and fully implemented by Bill, so 'learn to code.'

Empires are funny things, the British Empire for example got rich but the British people not so much compared to the USA, Australia and Canada. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to match my wage with that paid in Vietnam.

NATO might be worth something, but not at the present price-tag and not at the unequal trade balance that we have maintained to nurture these economies in the postwar period. The whole situation and reason for its being has changed and its further utility is debatable. Certainly not as the shield over an EU superstate that has an intellectual leadership class that despises the USA and would instantly pile on any misfortune that they could bring to us. I would trust the Russians before them.

Russia is no danger to nuclear armed Europe. Much the reverse in fact. Merkle and the EU have been aggressively expanding East and the Russian Federation does not want a German army on its border. NATO, in the person of GHW Bush, swore never to set foot East of Germany and Clinton used NATO to attack the Serbs, proving that the US is too schizophrenic to be trusted.

All Russian military moves are reactions to aggression, reactions that have been carefully stripped of context by western media and portrayed as pure aggression.

The Germans have long planned to create the EU as a true nation-state with its own army, and the Russians are unenthusiastic about a German army on its border. I share their lack of enthusiasm.

To the East, we have the argument that Samsung would go away, along with Sony, Nintendo etc.

What a shame that would be for them to go the way of Ampex, Zenith, Motorola, and all the other electronic giants that once existed in the US and couldn't compete against MITI and direct support from the Japanese and Korean States. Losing that foriegn vampire sucking money out would be tragic.

Those pirates would be coming over the rail of all those American ships and killing all those American sailors... Oh, wait, there are only a handful of US flag boomers. Pirates are not an American problem. Only American problems should be addressed by American arms.
Also Pirates are an issue on all ships, without the US Navy patrolling the waters a lot of ships we would get may not actually make it to where they would normally go.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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We are bent over for a tiny internationalist minority that will fight to the last of us and then shrug. All this 'Pax Americana' crap is just horiffic nonesense. Our American Republic is not made to be a military power, our men not made to be enticed into an iron service and trapped in a haze gray box for decades, our soldiers a catspaw sold to muslim kings, and that's all we are right now.
 

Zachowon

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We are bent over for a tiny internationalist minority that will fight to the last of us and then shrug. All this 'Pax Americana' crap is just horiffic nonesense. Our American Republic is not made to be a military power, our men not made to be enticed into an iron service and trapped in a haze gray box for decades, our soldiers a catspaw sold to muslim kings, and that's all we are right now.
Uh, we are pulling out of the Middle east. You can leave as soon as your contract is up, with some having two years as thier service.
The American Republic is known for its military. The <ilitary is what keeps the Republic the Republic. Take away what makes it powerefful we get World War 3.

Also, South korea would not shrug, Neither would Japan, or UK. THey would die side by side with Americans if it ment protecting thier own lands from those trying to invade.

The US runs the worlds trade through its Navies. If we wanted to we could ruin many forms of Trade through our Navy alone.
 

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We are bent over for a tiny internationalist minority that will fight to the last of us and then shrug.
cite.
All this 'Pax Americana' crap is just horiffic nonesense.
Matter of opinion and again prove how yours holds more weight than mine or anybody else.
Our American Republic is not made to be a military power.
Jefferson sending the navy to fight the Barbary Wars says otherwise, yes we weren't meant to be the world police but we were also meant to protect our interests like every other country in the history of ever.
our men not made to be enticed into an iron service and trapped in a haze gray box for decades.
Please elaborate on how this is in anyway your problem, if a person is offered work with good benefits and they choose to take the job it's their deceision and their own darn business if they choose to do it, not yours.
Our soldiers a catspaw sold to muslim kings, and that's all we are right now.
What kings? Name them...

I am for a smaller army and let me tell you that you are making a insanely poor argument here, by failing to reply on a individual basis to other posters and furthermore expecting me or others to take your word as gospel without any evidence to back it up. I will say this, if you want to debate me either address my questions directly and reply or I will assume you are debating in bad faith and refusing to play the ball with me and thus won't debate any longer with you on the subject.
 
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Zachowon

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cite.

Matter of opinion and again prove how yours holds more weight than mine or anybody else.

Jefferson sending the navy to fight the Barbary wars says otherwise, yes we weren't meant to be the world police but we were meant to protect our interests like every other country ever.

Please elaborate on how this is in anyway your problem, if a person is offered work with good benefits and they choose to take the job it's their deceision and their own darn business if they choose to do it, not yours.

What kings? Name them...

I am for a smaller army and let me tell you that you are making a insanely poor argument here, by failing to reply on a individual basis to other posters and furthermore expecting me or others to take your word as gospel without any evidence to back it up. I will say this, if you want to debate me either address my questions directly and reply or I will assume you are debating in bad faith and refusing to play the ball.
Your argument is to make the US Army smaller and for good reasons.

Also the conditions the military goes through are not bad at all really. They are pretty damn good. We get decent pay, benefits up the wazoo, dont pay for any of our injuries or medication. Put our lives on the line for those that dont want to.

I dont agree with everything the people of the US think. It wont stop me from serving and protecting them with my life, his, yours, any. US citizen.
 

Sixgun McGurk

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As someone who tries to respect everybody's opinions I will say this. Lay the fr*ck off with the personal insults, you are behaving like a child...

Everybody on this forum is entitled to their opinion in some form but I have seen literally zero cites or evidence you have presented to show your word or opinion as having any more worth than anybody else's here so layoff!
Was there an insult in there somewhere? I don't see one. I made no personal attack nor did I use any pejorative, like 'child.'
Your argument is to make the US Army smaller and for good reasons.

Also the conditions the military goes through are not bad at all really. They are pretty damn good. We get decent pay, benefits up the wazoo, dont pay for any of our injuries or medication. Put our lives on the line for those that dont want to.

I dont agree with everything the people of the US think. It wont stop me from serving and protecting them with my life, his, yours, any. US citizen.

You sound like a true believer that hasn't had to pick up the pieces after almost every adult male in your extended family comes home either wounded or in a box over various super important wars that were simply abandoned later with no ill effect to the country. I have seen this and I have lived this and it is a repeating pattern. Right now I see us bogged down all over the world, still in Iraq, sent there on a worthless pretext for the Saudi king in their war against the secular Baathist regimes, which were Iran and Syria. George II used the Saudi attack to declare war on Saddam for his royal Saudi benefactor, the very people that attacked us. Nixon as VP, against the advice of Eisenhower, along with Kennedy and Johnson ultimately made the decisions that got us in a war in Vietnam, but this was ostensibly for a strategic purpose somehow worth the lives or health of 211,000 Americans. The Butcher's Bill for the wars in Iraq Afghanistan and the Middle East since 2001 are creeping up to 60000 men with no sign of it stopping. A Marine Corps general and double Congressional Medal of Honor winner once wrote a little epistle entitled 'War is a Racket.' His name was Smedly Butler and he hit the nail right on the head. If you want me to write a book for you why its evident that we should get out of these worthless commitments to the weak, then read his.

The days of sailing around and seeing off the natives with a few broadsides and a little effort are done. We are in a time of changing technology like the 1870's and our fleet can become so many artificial reefs at a stroke if we aren't careful. Hostile countries are being built up by our stupidity while we grow economically weaker. When a strategy or tactic is untenable you abandon it for one that works before you get your ass handed to you. The Cold War strategy of envelopment when facing multiple peer technological powers is not going to work in the 21st century. Being shackled to boat-anchor countries and obligated to go to war for them or wasting ammunition on fuzzy wuzzys just enables the true foe to burrow in deeper and get our measure.
 

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Was there an insult in there somewhere? I don't see one. I made no personal attack nor did I use any pejorative, like 'child.'
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Yes you did.
Wow, man, you really just don't get basic economics. Maybe you should join the Korean army if you feel so strongly about defending them. Jump out there on the DMZ and lay it on the line for mamma-san, fishhead soup and Korea.
This is a personal attack as you are telling someone to commit suicide as well as degrading him because you disagree with the institution he works for. What are you one of those people who think those who spat on returning Vietnam Vets were right?

Their is a difference between disagreeing with a institution and degrading their members.
You're running around playing tourist in Korea, but you should be home getting into the work world so that you can get married and start a family.
This is even more insulting as you are not only degrading a fellow Sietch Member for his service in the military but also acting like some Nanny state that presumes to know what's best for him.

The military has good benefits one of those being that when he returns he wont have to put a down payment on a home, coupled with the pay he will have saved over that time while being deployed as most of his living needs like food/board are already taken care of and he will be able to buy himself a good home. That's not even counting the fact that being in the military gives you a straight shot to upper management, I know because ever factory I have ever worked in was more likely to promote military men over those who had not been in the military and yet at the job longer.

Anyway I call bull on this and since you completely glossed my last post I will now remind you that I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you directly engage me and my points specifically.
 

Lanmandragon

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So increase budget you say? I am with you
If that's what it takes sure. Both China and Russia represent threats to my progeny. So as a citizen of the republic I expect said republic to be able to prevent that. Otherwise I have no reason at all to support the government. It all boils down to what benefits my kids at the end of the day. Literally nothing else matters. Simple
 

Zachowon

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If that's what it takes sure. Both China and Russia represent threats to my progeny. So as a citizen of the republic I expect said republic to be able to prevent that. Otherwise I have no reason at all to support the government. It all boils down to what benefits my kids at the end of the day. Literally nothing else matters. Simple
We need a larger budget. Even as big as one already, with it being reworked to other areas as well
 

Sixgun McGurk

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Yes you did.

This is a personal attack as you are telling someone to commit suicide as well as degrading him because you disagree with the institution he works for. What are you one of those people who think those who spat on returning Vietnam Vets were right?

Their is a difference between disagreeing with a institution and degrading their members.

This is even more insulting as you are not only degrading a fellow Sietch Member for his service in the military but also acting like some Nanny state that presumes to know what's best for him.

The military has good benefits one of those being that when he returns he wont have to put a down payment on a home, coupled with the pay he will have saved over that time while being deployed as most of his living needs like food/board are already taken care of and he will be able to buy himself a good home. That's not even counting the fact that being in the military gives you a straight shot to upper management, I know because ever factory I have ever worked in was more likely to promote military men over those who had not been in the military and yet at the job longer.

Anyway I call bull on this and since you completely glossed my last post I will now remind you that I am not responding to anymore of your post unless you directly engage me and my points specifically.

That's so far off base that its non even in the country. You should buy a dictionary and look up the word 'pejorative. Commit suicide? Are voices talking in your head? I expressed no contempt for the man and my disapproval is for asking me to pay taxes to defend Koreans that can defend themselves. If he's upset let him speak for himself.

As to all your demands for me to 'prove' something, prove it isn't. That's just a bunch of lefty crap and you know it.

The great deal of the military is a devils bargain of divorce, long deployments and death if you aren't lucky. And I express my most sincere contempt for your shit talking about how I supposedly spit on Vietnam Vets. You are a foul and low person for that. My father is a disabled vet and career military. My uncles were too and until you've been in a long term ward at a VA hospital to visit a Vietnam vet to see true mysery then don't run your damn mouth.

I don't actually want to cut the military budget. I want to rescue it from the plundering that it undergoes with useless deployments and pork stuffing on deployments to nowhere, where people die one or two at a time and it never makes the paper or matters to anyone but a family. Our budget needs to be reoriented it into truly useful defensive measures. Trump's wall should have a belt of mines, guard towers and another wall.

We should be in our own bases, in our own territory with our men and machines optimized to defend our own country from real threats to it, up to and including the cartels that are taking it over. The development of space forces should be heavily funded as well as missile defense systems. Korea is a waste of time and a stumbling block that is being used against us. China isn't expanding through open war and those kind of defenses aren't going to slow its current strategy down. If we withdraw, the conflict becomes an inter-Korean matter and the south has all the advantage. If the north can build nukes, so can the south and if China wants to play that game then let them deal with that. Korea was a police action of the United Nations and after 67 years on the beat its time for the policeman to retire.

Our money is flowing out. That is a fact and it is harming the people of this country and ruining generations of industrial progress. The policy of tripwires and forward engagement was fine in the hands of experienced leaders against primitive Communist hordes that sought to murder everyone in the world with a dollar in their pocket and a college education. All of those people are dead now and all our mighty military with its quick response, power projection and eager battalion of over-decorated flag officers with side gigs as lobbyists is doing is encouraging political mooks that aren't fit to command a corporal's guard to use them in stupid ways, with the connivance of criminals out to get rich from the war racket.
 

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That's so far off base that its non even in the country. You should buy a dictionary and look up the word 'pejorative. Commit suicide? Are voices talking in your head? I expressed no contempt for the man and my disapproval is for asking me to pay taxes to defend Koreans that can defend themselves. If he's upset let him speak for himself.
Alright I shall.
As to all your demands for me to 'prove' something, prove it isn't. That's just a bunch of lefty crap and you know it.
Again Bullsh*t their are two types of facts presented in arguments 'basic facts' like the first president of the U.S. is George Washington and 'Subjective facts' like the leftist argument that 'communism was better for Russia than the Tsars' which is completely objectional as in some ways in industrialization it was arguably better but in other's the commies were worse.

You are giving all of these subjective statements and expecting me to take them at face value when most of what you are saying is a matter of opinion and subjective.
The great deal of the military is a devils bargain of divorce, long deployments and death if you aren't lucky
Again a subjective fact I don't see you pulling up any statistics to prove your point regarding divorce rates being astronomically high and the long deployments and death is a thing people accept as a fact of the job as I said earlier is none of our business as the people who have signed up have accepted the risk.
And I express my most sincere contempt for your shit talking about how I supposedly spit on Vietnam Vets. You are a foul and low person for that. My father is a disabled vet and career military.
My apologies, but the way you were talking about our resident Korean deployed member gave me the feeling that you had something out not just for the military but everybody apart of it.
My uncles were too and until you've been in a long term ward at a VA hospital to visit a Vietnam vet to see true mysery then don't run your damn mouth.
I have my grandfather whom I thought walked on water pass slowly and painfully after being exposed to agent orange in Vietnam don't you presume to know me. You may think your the only person who has seen suffering but you aren't and just because you have doesn't entitle you to anything in this debate and since you told someone to just run across the DMZ which anyone will tell you is suicide and describing his situation as a holiday when the fact is that the North which is still batsh*t insane, still at war with us and still threatens the U.S. Territory of Guam on regular basis can rain missiles down on his barracks at any second they choose.
I don't actually want to cut the military budget. I want to rescue it from the plundering that it undergoes with useless deployments and pork stuffing on deployments to nowhere, where people die one or two at a time and it never makes the paper or matters to anyone but a family.
So why are you dissing South Korea then as It's pretty much as death prone as being bases in the continental U.S...
Our budget needs to be reoriented it into truly useful defensive measures. Trump's wall should have a belt of mines, guard towers and another wall.
So lets stop money being drained out by the military and instead have it embezzled through a big project? That my money says congress will refuse to allocate money towards and will not be finished in the slightest four years from now when the new dem in charge will defund it?
We should be in our own bases, in our own territory with our men and machines optimized to defend our own country from real threats to it, up to and including the cartels that are taking it over.
And North Korean threating to nuke Guam is in no way a threat?
The development of space forces should be heavily funded as well as missile defense systems.
I agree.
Korea is a waste of time and a stumbling block that is being used against us. China isn't expanding through open war and those kind of defenses aren't going to slow its current strategy down. If we withdraw, the conflict becomes an inter-Korean matter and the south has all the advantage. If the north can build nukes, so can the south and if China wants to play that game then let them deal with that. Korea was a police action of the United Nations and after 67 years on the beat its time for the policeman to retire.
The fact is that Korea actually pays quite a bit to the U.S. to keep troops there to deter the North and quite frankly you are both right and wrong about China as while they embarking on expansionist war other than possibly strong arming Taiwan into annexation but if the Norks go after the South and succeed it will only be victory for them.
Our money is flowing out. That is a fact and it is harming the people of this country and ruining generations of industrial progress.
This is happening due to stupid decisions like allowing China in the WTO, not anything the military has itself done and again a subjective fact.
The policy of tripwires and forward engagement was fine in the hands of experienced leaders against primitive Communist hordes that sought to murder everyone in the world with a dollar in their pocket and a college education. All of those people are dead now and all our mighty military with its quick response, power projection and eager battalion of over-decorated flag officers with side gigs as lobbyists is doing is encouraging political mooks that aren't fit to command a corporal's guard to use them in stupid ways, with the connivance of criminals out to get rich from the war racket.
So military IC what can you do and literally it's unfair to put the entire U.S. military under this umbrella as if they are Sauron's hordes.
 

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The military is nothing like that. I also happen to be in the one area of the military inknow things all of you wont knkw about for a good while or until something happens.

I know what is going on in the world, and why the US is involved.

Also, the VA is a terrible group and needs better people in charge and better management of thier funds.

Until someone serves. They dont know what it is truly like in the military.

Deployments last between 6, 9 and 15 months.
Divorces are high yes, but so are they in the US in general, and it all depends on the people.

People die every day. Accidents at military bases happen all the time as well. Deployments are often fun and pay big time, with soldiers volunteering because the pay they can get.
That pay can be put to savings or be put elsewhere.

The military of the past and the military of the now and future are diffrent.

Dont think they are the same unless you served your time. Unless you are personally involved and know everything we get, dont get and the like, without doing a google search. Then you can say shit.
 

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Also, the VA is a terrible group and needs better people in charge and better management of thier funds.
More like abolished and replaced, the VA is so corrupt I think a nuclear bomb destroying every office they posses wouldn't cleanse them of their corruption better burn it down and rebuild it from scratch.
The military of the past and the military of the now and future are diffrent.
Yeah, especially when you are talking about Vietnam and the Korean War as the draft was in place and people didn't get a choice in the issue.
 
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Sixgun McGurk

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The military is nothing like that. I also happen to be in the one area of the military inknow things all of you wont knkw about for a good while or until something happens.

I know what is going on in the world, and why the US is involved.

Also, the VA is a terrible group and needs better people in charge and better management of thier funds.

Until someone serves. They dont know what it is truly like in the military.

Deployments last between 6, 9 and 15 months.
Divorces are high yes, but so are they in the US in general, and it all depends on the people.

People die every day. Accidents at military bases happen all the time as well. Deployments are often fun and pay big time, with soldiers volunteering because the pay they can get.
That pay can be put to savings or be put elsewhere.

The military of the past and the military of the now and future are diffrent.

Dont think they are the same unless you served your time. Unless you are personally involved and know everything we get, dont get and the like, without doing a google search. Then you can say shit.

Honestly, I don't really care what kind of deal you get, or what the benefit is. I understand that you are in uniform and of course must obey your orders, but as a civilian, I don't have to agree that maintaining your force in Korea is somehow defending this country in any way, especially not from China. I do not believe it is a proper use of the money that is taken from me every year.

Here's a little intelligence on China for you. The Yin dynasty lasted 560 years, which is 316 years longer than the USA has existed and the Yin dynasty ruled China and Asia in general about 3500 years ago. That was right on the edge of the Bronze Age. There were no English, no Romans no recognizable western group at all.

Let me ask you this. How long must we maintain that Korean garrison in order to protect ourselves from China? Because China's been there for 3500 years to our 244. Are we going to have troops in Korea in order to keep China away in the year 5520? Because China will still be around then.

China has had its ups and downs, dynasty after dynasty and has been a nation all along, always existing as the premier of its surrounding nations. When the US first tried to speak with the Koreans, they referred our ambassadors to the Emperor of China as they were under his authority.

Now here we are, with this minuscule garrison in South Korea, supposedly keeping China away. Containment was a policy formulated against the Stalinist plan of the 1920's and their attempts to militarily overrun all nations in order to impose the Marxist international and lead us all into the land of rainbows and gumdrops just as soon as all the bad people were shot and the universal earthly Communist paradise could be achieved by forced labor.

The only group that believes in Marxist Leninism anymore is in Seattle. China is nationalist to the core, just as Russia is and neither give a damn for helping other countries or ethnic groups. China doesn't like other nations. They don't want to be international except to grab oil. You don't see Muslims sneaking in to get jobs or open mosques. The first thing they would do if North Korea fell apart would be to block the border so that they wouldn't come pouring over looking for food. China is far more Fascist than it is Communist and they don't even pay lip service to the old Marxist Leninist line from the 20's.

In short, they are just another country. A great power, but still just another country. Enemies change and become friends, friends become enemies, and the smart coutries keep them all at arms length and do business to benefit themselves. Getting sucked into other people's wars has no rational purpose but to feed the war racketeers.
 

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Honestly, I don't really care what kind of deal you get, or what the benefit is. I understand that you are in uniform and of course must obey your orders, but as a civilian, I don't have to agree that maintaining your force in Korea is somehow defending this country in any way, especially not from China. I do not believe it is a proper use of the money that is taken from me every year.

Here's a little intelligence on China for you. The Yin dynasty lasted 560 years, which is 316 years longer than the USA has existed and the Yin dynasty ruled China and Asia in general about 3500 years ago. That was right on the edge of the Bronze Age. There were no English, no Romans no recognizable western group at all.

Let me ask you this. How long must we maintain that Korean garrison in order to protect ourselves from China? Because China's been there for 3500 years to our 244. Are we going to have troops in Korea in order to keep China away in the year 5520? Because China will still be around then.

China has had its ups and downs, dynasty after dynasty and has been a nation all along, always existing as the premier of its surrounding nations. When the US first tried to speak with the Koreans, they referred our ambassadors to the Emperor of China as they were under his authority.

Now here we are, with this minuscule garrison in South Korea, supposedly keeping China away. Containment was a policy formulated against the Stalinist plan of the 1920's and their attempts to militarily overrun all nations in order to impose the Marxist international and lead us all into the land of rainbows and gumdrops just as soon as all the bad people were shot and the universal earthly Communist paradise could be achieved by forced labor.

The only group that believes in Marxist Leninism anymore is in Seattle. China is nationalist to the core, just as Russia is and neither give a damn for helping other countries or ethnic groups. China doesn't like other nations. They don't want to be international except to grab oil. You don't see Muslims sneaking in to get jobs or open mosques. The first thing they would do if North Korea fell apart would be to block the border so that they wouldn't come pouring over looking for food. China is far more Fascist than it is Communist and they don't even pay lip service to the old Marxist Leninist line from the 20's.

In short, they are just another country. A great power, but still just another country. Enemies change and become friends, friends become enemies, and the smart coutries keep them all at arms length and do business to benefit themselves. Getting sucked into other people's wars has no rational purpose but to feed the war racketeers.
We are protecting a country that we saved from being wiped out. They asked and pay us to be here.

I dont care how you feel as the country you live in has made the descion to defend a country nearly completly wiped out in the war it was founded on.

You show the world that America no longer protects the world, Protects countries like South Korea, like Taiwan, Japan. You basically give a country which fought and escaped Communist wrath to China on a platter. You then have China becoming Imperial Japan but with Nukes, and Russia then pushes further out taking back Georgia, Ukraine. America withdraws and the world stops as trade slows because Pirates, which do exist and will grow, take shipping containers form country to country.

Korea is a place we will not leave, as we owe it to them, as well as they pay for us, to be here. You would let a country be invaded and millions klled because you want America to be an Isolasionist shit hole?

You also sem to want the world to Burn in Sino fire.
 

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